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Naruto 580 at MangaInn! by aryaryin Naruto

[–]blueblib 0 points1 point ago

I think attacking the Kage summit was the bulk of it.

Naruto 580 at MangaInn! by aryaryin Naruto

[–]blueblib 4 points5 points ago

Does anyone know why the screeching/blinding ball stopped? Did it just run out of gas or did Itachi stop it?

Santorum to speak at UMBC graduation by blueblibin UMBC

[–]blueblib[S] 6 points7 points ago

It turns out it is the April Fool's edition, if you pass by the physical newspaper look near the top corner of the inside pages and you'll see deceiver weekly.

Hi, I would like your opinion on a tldr bot I made. by blueblibin modtools

[–]blueblib[S] 2 points3 points ago

I've shut down the bot since, some people were complaining it was intrusive and I didn't want to impose.

Whenever I See a Long Post While I'm Baked by hotdamnimgoodin trees

[–]blueblib 2 points3 points ago

This site might help: smmry.com

It's the Autotldr bot guy again, I think I've found a suitable compromise that would satisfy everyone. by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] 1 point2 points ago

I've already noticed this dilemma with wikipedia articles, which is why the bot ignores them. The original algorithm (smmry) doesn't have this issue though, because you can tell it focus on a topic by keywords. Here is an example of it focusing on Gettysburg. That specific example isn't too great though because 'Gettysburg' only occurs in three sentences, you might want to experiment with different keywords.

It's the Autotldr bot guy again, I think I've found a suitable compromise that would satisfy everyone. by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] 1 point2 points ago*

you can promise how people will react to it, such a promise is inherently silly

I'm not selling promises, I'm discussing the theory of the bot. I'm not profiting off this, I'm doing this for the community. I've taken great effort and time to get people's opinions, listen, and respond to people's concerns. The discussion in /r/theoryofreddit is only a portion of the people I've consulted with about the bot, and in the original thread in this subreddit there seems to be an even distribution of approval/dissaproval. As far as making predictions about the side-effects of the bot, whoever justifies their case better takes the cake, I'm not preaching on a soap box. I've gotten a lot more positive feedback than negative in total, so I think it's atleast something worth discussing and hopefully implementing.

I've proposed a drastic change to the bot's design that answers to the top concern's I've heard (opt-in not opt-out, I see it everywhere) to please a larger portion of the crowd, yet I get called out for selling silly promises? I've explained why the bot's presence wouldn't be harmful, especially by the new design, so I stand by the analogy. This isn't a baseless political promise.

It's the Autotldr bot guy again, I think I've found a suitable compromise that would satisfy everyone. by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] -3 points-2 points ago

People respond to incentives and disincentives and so the bot wouldn't even learn that it's posts are unwanted

I don't understand this because the bot will simply be downvoted with the person that requested it. A criteria can also be that the tl;dr request must have a minimum amount of karma, so that it knows when it's services are wanted and not.

The rest of your comment makes a good point. My response is that tl;dr's don't require laziness, they are often used to sample the article to help decide if you are interested in the topic before investing time in reading an exceptionally long article. Like an extension of the title. It doesn't turn people lazy, the lazy one's who are already there aren't exactly hurting either, if anything it boosts the subreddit's numbers and participation. Any comments made with insufficient knowledge of the full text will easily get downvoted.

it's not enough to convince me to unban the bot.

Does this mean my proposed change is insufficient and there are some criteria by which the bot would be acceptable in your eyes? Or is the core concept unfavorable to you completely?

It's the Autotldr bot guy again, I think I've found a suitable compromise that would satisfy everyone. by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] 2 points3 points ago

is there anyway to get the bot to replace the pronoun with the original noun?

This has been something I've been meaning to do, but is very difficult. It's first difficult to highlight a noun, and second associating a pronoun with the correct noun. I'd rather the summary be unclear than provide incorrect information. Currently, sentences that contain a pronoun in the first three words are penalized in their ranking, so they're less likely to make it to the final summary.

I've seen a few that looked a bit wonky, but it must have been the dropped phrases/clauses

the phrases/clauses feature never gives trouble, it's only wonky on occasion because it works best atleast at a 5 sentence summary. The tl;dr's were originally 4, but people complained about it being too long so I reduced it even further to 3. There isn't a specification for how long a tl;dr should be, as long as it provides an amount of text that is preferable to the original. It's excessive how people complained that 4 sentences was too long for lazy reading.

It's the Autotldr bot guy again, I think I've found a suitable compromise that would satisfy everyone. by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] 0 points1 point ago*

We've now reached the dilemma of 'we know whats best for you'. I think a good analogy is marjiuana legalization. People are going to do it anyways, do we now make it harder to access or allow it? Unless you proactively ban every single tl;dr you are implicitly encouraging it. Why not make something intevitable more convenient? Especially when I've explained in great detail in the original thread that it would not create laziness, but give more details to those who read the title only anyways. If someone asks for a tl;dr in /r/truereddit then let the dumbass get downvoted to hell, and the bot's response won't even be seen. It's a self correcting system, but please don't punish the bot by not even giving it a chance.

It's the Autotldr bot guy again, I think I've found a suitable compromise that would satisfy everyone. by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] -2 points-1 points ago

But shortened versions of long texts are prominent and found useful on reddit. If anything reddit popularized the phrase 'tl;dr', and this is not a bad thing. This is supply and demand. I'd estimate that if the average quality of a human generated tl;dr is a 9/20, the bot is at 7/10. It still qualifies as a shortened version, so would you delete people's comments that provided tl;drs to those that request it, and would you ban a human novelty account that provides tl;drs consistently? Do you condemn the /r/tldr subreddit?

It's the Autotldr bot guy again, I think I've found a suitable compromise that would satisfy everyone. by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] 2 points3 points ago

I don't understand what you mean, the bot ranks each sentence by importance and returns the most important ones in chronological order. It doesn't combine sentences. The only time it modifies a sentence is to remove transition phrases and clauses, that way sentences are more interchangeable. Think of it as a highlighter that automatically goes over paper and highlights the key sentences. Generally the top 4-6 sentences will capture the essence and conclusion of the article.

Fake steak may feed the world at a reduced environmental cost by SnorkyPorkyin Green

[–]blueblib 0 points1 point ago

If you have a point against this bot please debate it here. If you respond to a robot you're less likely to get your ideas challenged, the bot has been discussed at length and your stance has already been responded to. If you have a convincing point I will voluntarily blacklist a subreddit.

autotldr bot - keep it here or boot it from the subreddit? by jambaramain Economics

[–]blueblib 2 points3 points ago*

Hi everyone, I'm the author of the bot. Im currently in the hospital post-surgery and I'm unable to blacklist immediately because that would require me using my laptop and im in moderate pain and unable to move without severe pain. I will blacklist /r/economics whenever possible, if you cant wait a mod can ban it. That being said, I think that most of the justifications here fall short of this thread. Most of the complaints in this thread have already been responded to there and I don't have the energy to respond to each complaint here individually. The only justification here that made sense to me is that /r/economics is a smalller specialized subreddit rather than a larger mainstream subreddit. Otherwise, after you have read the thread above you might know why I facepalmed at alot of these responses. Perhaps its a bias, but I look forward to a response on these concepts. To summarize that thread; the notion of a small summary isn't anti-intellectual as an abstract is used in long scientific papers, the bot only posts when an especially long article is given not just any, so that people can atleast decide if theyre interested in the article and make it a worth while read. It acts as a useful archiving feature that can provide context when a site goes down or the content is removed. Also banning and not posting should be reserved for accounts that are offensive and spam related. Instead im providing a service to the community, just like the other bots. If it collectively got more downvotes than upvotes in this subreddit I would have removed it without a request. But as some people have mentioned in this thread it gets consistent upvotes and is sometimes the top voted comment. Do you really want to ruin it for the majority of people who upvoted it? Something is kind of odd if it gets a generally positive feedbak throughout the subreddit but recieves a generally negative feedback from this thread. As of now I plan on removing the bot from this subreddit whenever possible, but I'd appreciate if people who posted in this thread and voted to remove it read the aforementioned thread and gave some responses, so that I would atleast feel like making the bot wasn't a partial waste of time. Pleade respond to this comment so I can find your responses easily.

NYPD Must Pay $15 Million for Illegally Arresting 22,000 by tarkayin news

[–]blueblib 1 point2 points ago

This is what the bot received from SMMRY. Compare the two and you'll find they're the same.

Is the automatic tl;dr bot beneficial or detrimental to Reddit? by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] 0 points1 point ago

I think perhaps my mistake was advertising it as a tl;dr. It originally had 4 sentences instead of 3 and was allowed to post larger sentences. People complained that it was too long for a tl;dr. I shortened it but then people complained it wasn't descriptive enough. I kept deliberating until I hit the best sweet spot, but it only rarely can compete with human made tl;drs. I think because reddit has that common perception of a tl;dr being a sentence or two and driving the point home completely is why it has a hard time competing with that perception. That's why I linked to an extended summary which definitely does a better job and is still relatively short. At this point around half of the tl;drs provide a decent cover of the original content, while the other half act more as supplemental information.

Is the automatic tl;dr bot beneficial or detrimental to Reddit? by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] -1 points0 points ago

You seem to be massively confused if you think that a time saving bot will allow for greater sophistication in topics and longer attention span

I think it will but to a degree thats questionable. I mentioned that the magnitude of this effect may be small enough to be vaguely noticeable.

This is a loose approximation and the magnitude of this effect is questionable, but I'm not surprised if the general direction of the theory is correct.

Otherwise I think we've reached an impasse. Thank you for taking the time to respond to me.

Presidential Candidate: Rocky Anderson andamp by autotldrin autotldr

[–]blueblib 0 points1 point ago*

Thanks for notifying me, I'd still prefer you go to the subreddit or use the feedback form because the bot gets an orangered and not me when you post here. The subreddit is better for large broad discussions while the feedback form is better for specific bugs like this one.

Loaded gun went through security at Phoenix airport, investigation reveals. "There are people that are in high management at TSA that were involved in a major cover-up." by jms1225in news

[–]blueblib 0 points1 point ago

Could you please quote me a point that hasn't been refuted that makes your case?

Is the automatic tl;dr bot beneficial or detrimental to Reddit? by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] 0 points1 point ago

Haha I was confused because I got an orangered for it, thanks for telling me.

Is the automatic tl;dr bot beneficial or detrimental to Reddit? by blueblibin TheoryOfReddit

[–]blueblib[S] -1 points0 points ago*

Common news is usually conveyed in little packages to begin with. Typically three to four sentences can sum up a news article or big story that just occurred. To implement a bot to find those three or four sentences just screams lazy considering most news articles don't go past two pages

You're saying here that it makes an already small article even smaller, I've explained how the bot now has much more harsh criteria when to post. The tl;dr must be between 450-700 character and be at least a 70% reduction from the original.

More detailed/complex subjects like science or philosophy don't benefit from a cliff notes style write up because the devil is in the details or nuances in a study or argument respectively.

I'll repeat a theory I've already mentioned in this thread. Imagine every single sentence of an article is ranked by importance with the most important on the top. Probably around 1/3 of the way down the list that 1/3 of the article is ~80% sufficient to describe the content. It's that 2/3 of text that deters people from contributing whilst providing only ~20% of the information needed to fully understand the article and what is going on in it. So it would be better to do without it from a purely statistical standpoint. This phenomenon might fluctuate between simple and complex topics, but here's how I know it's true. I can plug a long complex article into SMMRY and tell it to show me all the sentences it can instead of just 6, and then turn the heat map on which highlights most important in red and least important in yellow. I would scan through the yellow/light orange hue and virtually none of the sentences increased my understanding of the topic that the red didn't provide. It would consist of excessive examples, quotes that reinforce points that have already been made etc.

Sometimes you don't want a subject to be "more relevant" to the mainstream if all it brings about is dumbed down conversation. There are entire subreddits created out a want to escape the masses and their insatiable thirst for "x for dummies" comments and memes.

I'll respond with a few things I've lifted from my conversation with nascentt:

If the bot does have an effect of bringing in stupid people to a sophisticated subreddit (lots of exaggeration here, but good to display an example), then the stupids will still be a small minority, and the vast majority will simply downvote their potentially stupid comments and submissions. It would take an unrealistically huge amount of 'stupids' to reach that critical point where the original members wouldn't be able to combat them upvoting each other. It is also an assumption that the 'stupids' would contribute excessively to the subreddit, I actually think they would be a silent minority that mostly lurks and gets the gist of the content, because they will have gotten the point that "herpyderp" isn't a valuable contribution to a discussion and they would just loose karma. It's only after that that critical point has been reached that I think your theory is true, but that amount of traffic relocation is beyond the scope of this bot. The bot is aiming more for the crowd in the middle of the sophisticated and the stupids, those who skim the articles but would prefer to be efficient and have a bot to do the skimming for them.

The more important response though is that it won't send stupid people over like you think it will. There is a big disparity gap between comprehending "i like cats" and "Neuroscientists link brain-wave pattern to energy consumption - New model of neuro-electric activity could help scientists better understand quiescent brain states such as coma. ". Remember the bot doesn't change the wording of the sentences, it only removes stuff. It's not like it gives an ELI5 for every article, it offers readers to be efficient with their reading by putting the important key sentences and keywords on a silver platter. When I say it will make a subreddit more accessible, I'm talking about the layman or amateur scientist/politics-enthusiast etc who has been discouraged by excessively long articles but will now have a small ladder to reach the discussion.

I also think sulf's point about summaries academic is relevant to what your saying:

Here in academic world if you don't put an abstract (also known as summary or tl;dr) in your paper, nobody is going to bother to read it. There is a good reason why summaries exist - to let the reader know if he is interested enough to read the entire article, especially when there is too much information (other articles/papers demanding attention). There is a lot of (smug?) dislikes for tl;dr's in this thread, but you should consider that one man's "laziness" is another man's "no time to read everything". How else do you filter content? Upvotes are ok, but readers of the new queue also need something.

I think his point speaks for itself.

As for Reddit's "dependency" on external sites. Well, Reddit is a social news aggregate in theory. It's structure is purposely relying on external sources that are interesting to people.

Sure it is, but reddit's functionality is occasionally broken when a site goes down from the massive influx of traffic it sends. So at least there will be some context to those who are intrigued by the title and comments but can't access the content. This has happened to me several times aswell. Instead of everyone sitting in a circle waiting for each other to tell them what happened, the bot will have provided a tl;dr and an extended summary at a much broader (reach to more articles), faster and consistent rate than a redditor. This is not to discourage redditor's from providing info, which I encourage them to do parallel to the bot and improve on what the bot provided. Also on the point of long term archiving, as time goes on the likelihood of a submission getting broke increases. What are the chances that a submission to an article 5 years ago is still directing to a non-404 page? The risk certainly grows exponentially, so this is what I mean by reddit becoming more internally reliable. I'm not saying (you might have thought I meant this) that reddit should replace it's content from external to internal, I'm saying it should have an internal fallback system that exists in conjunction with the external site. The only thing that's detrimental about this is hard drive space (which is now incredibly cheap) so how can this be detrimental to reddit at all?

spoon feeding you information

You're talking as if it's mandatory, the option is there for those who prefer it. It doesn't replace the article, it mingles with the discussion where more context is usually desired.

An overuse of bots such as these cater to people's inclinations for convenience and end up providing no real insight or understanding,

If they didn't understand anything from the tl;dr or extended summary, they would downvote the bot and not comment "herpderp" with their skewed knowledge. I think my explanation of the drop off point of importance being at around the 1/3 or 1/2 mark responds to this point, which I explained earlier in this comment. People right now are skimming articles on reddit and posting sufficiently decent comments. If they don't and type herpderp, they get downvoted. This bot does the skimming for them, but convienience is sometimes not a bad thing. Next thing I'm gonna hear is that we should write paper letters to each other because email is "too convenient".

But before your bot, those that had curiosity in them still had to actually read the article before some random person posted a tl;dr of it on his own.

Now you're talking like reading the article is like homework and we "know whats best for you". If people didn't want to read it, they wouldn't. Now that a tl;dr is provided at a faster rate, people will give more attention to these sophisticated topics.

I appreciate your response, have an upvote sir.

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