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Will This Post Make Sam Harris Change His Mind About Free Will? -- John Horgan provides a welcome counter to much pseudophilosophical, badly scientifically informed stuff that passes for rigorous intellectual exercise these days. Not least Harris’s "The Moral Landscape" by phileconomicusin philosophy

[–]blackstar9000 1 point2 points ago

Harris’s memes, in contrast, are infecting the minds not of right wing and religious cranks but of smart, knowledgeable people. Scientific American columnist Michael Shermer, when he hosted a recent talk by Harris at Caltech, praised him for “cutting through all the obfuscation and getting straight to the point” about free will in his new book.

To be fair, Shermer was on Harris' side before Harris had a side to be one. You could think of Shermer as a proto-neo-atheist – a set of writers specializing in skepticism who were harping on many of the themes that the Four Hoursemen would pick up, before it was really profitable to do so.

It's interesting to me, because there's this perception that the "New Atheists" hold a lot of sway. From talking to people, though, it seems to me that there are a few different camps. There are, for one, people who find a lot to agree with in their books, but who haven't spent much time thinking about the parts that they didn't already believe. That group is made up mostly of private atheists (as opposed to public intellectuals) who feel a moderate amount of resentment, antagonism, or disgust at religion (or, at least, aspects of it), but who don't necessarily see it as an apocalyptic situation.

Similarly, there are people who were, prior to reading the New Atheists, fence-riders or closet atheists. Their biggest takeaway from the books of Harris and company was the confidence of their convictions – to break once and for all with religion and own their designation as atheists. Often, their gratitude will incline them to overlook the defects of the New Atheist arguments, but on the whole I'd say these are atheist's in the process of developing their non-religious identities, and there's no guarantee that they'll still think highly of the Horsemen five or ten years down the road.

Then there are more radical, "rationalist" atheists who will bend over backwards to defend the arguments (and, often, reputations) of their New Atheist heroes. They've pretty much always believed that religion is a threat to civilization, and the publication successes of the New Atheist books have energized them. It's easy to get the sense that there are more of these defenders than there really are, in no small part because, like radical or polemical religious advocates, they tend to be vocal out of all proportion to their numbers.

And then there's everyone else. And everyone else is still the biggest category. I still talk to people who have no idea who Harris and Dennett are, or who think of Hitchens as a political writer (which, even to the end, was his real environment) or of Dawkins as a biologist (though, realistically, I'd call him a popularizer and advocate, more than a working biologist). There was a four or five year window of opportunity there when it was possible for the New Atheist books to draw in really large crowds, but that window has been gradually falling shut. I'd be surprised to hear that Harris' latest book has sold nearly as much as The Moral Landscape's initial run, or that of The End of Faith before it. And pointing to Shermer – who definitely falls into the third camp – as proof that "smart, knowledgeable people" are paying attention is like saying Shaq is paying attention to Kobe Bryant. Given that they've both been, at one time or another, Lakers, that's hardly surprising.

Text you read that made you a better, more well-adjusted person? by DAWGPARTYin askphilosophy

[–]blackstar9000 2 points3 points ago

The Consolation of Philosophy, by Boethius. Here's the summation I gave, translated into terms more palatable for most redditors.

Where to start with Socrates? by phritsin askphilosophy

[–]blackstar9000 1 point2 points ago

If you're reading him specifically for the "corrupting young minds" bit, I don't know that I would bother. The charges against Socrates were trumped up, and there's good reason to suppose that the real reason for his trial was his connection to Alcibiades, a statesmen known for changing his allegiances on a dime.

Which isn't to say that the Socratic works aren't worth reading. I'd recommend starting with Meno, which deals with the nature of good, truth and beauty – several of the central themes of Socratic/Platonic philosophy.

Why TED Is a Massive, Money-Soaked Orgy of Self- Congratulatory Futurism - It has become an exclusive, expensive elite networking experience. Strip away the hype and you're left with a reasonably good video podcast with delusions of grandeur. by JackIsidorein TrueReddit

[–]blackstar9000 0 points1 point ago

Not because the things you believe in are too hard. Because you've presented those things without the context that ought to modify how we think of them.

At one point, it was the height of cleverness to think that you could deal with pest problems by importing a predator from a different continent. In retrospect, we see that doing so is usually a bad idea because it ignores so many important contextual considerations that the result is almost inevitably destructive and unmanageable.

That's my issue with futurism. Not that it aims high, but that it does so wearing blinders.

Why TED Is a Massive, Money-Soaked Orgy of Self- Congratulatory Futurism - It has become an exclusive, expensive elite networking experience. Strip away the hype and you're left with a reasonably good video podcast with delusions of grandeur. by JackIsidorein TrueReddit

[–]blackstar9000 0 points1 point ago

I'm not saying that people shouldn't be working on the things discussed at TED Talks. Just that there's not much value in presenting them as though it were clear that the future will consist of those things.

Why TED Is a Massive, Money-Soaked Orgy of Self- Congratulatory Futurism - It has become an exclusive, expensive elite networking experience. Strip away the hype and you're left with a reasonably good video podcast with delusions of grandeur. by JackIsidorein TrueReddit

[–]blackstar9000 1 point2 points ago

It's not an either/or situation. We could also adjust our aim in the light of what's really plausible, and achieve goals that really do make the world a better place. We have fewer opportunities to do so when we waste out time designing castles in the sky.

Why TED Is a Massive, Money-Soaked Orgy of Self- Congratulatory Futurism - It has become an exclusive, expensive elite networking experience. Strip away the hype and you're left with a reasonably good video podcast with delusions of grandeur. by JackIsidorein TrueReddit

[–]blackstar9000 4 points5 points ago

I'd like to see kleo post an open thread where we can talk about what everyone things would qualify as appropriate for TrueReddit. Not that any coherent guidelines could be drawn from it, or that anyone would follow them anyway, but it would be interesting just to see the sheer diversity (or, counterintuitively, unity) over what everyone thinks this reddit is actually about.

Why TED Is a Massive, Money-Soaked Orgy of Self- Congratulatory Futurism - It has become an exclusive, expensive elite networking experience. Strip away the hype and you're left with a reasonably good video podcast with delusions of grandeur. by JackIsidorein TrueReddit

[–]blackstar9000 2 points3 points ago

Some of their solutions aren't even all that simple on a granular level, but they're appealing for reasons other than their effectiveness. A big buzz word these days, for example, is gamification. Its promoters make all sorts of big promises about it – not stopping short at, "It'll save the world" – but it's pretty obvious that the central appeal of gamification is that fact that it excuses us from doing unappealing work by making a game of charity and reform.

Why TED Is a Massive, Money-Soaked Orgy of Self- Congratulatory Futurism - It has become an exclusive, expensive elite networking experience. Strip away the hype and you're left with a reasonably good video podcast with delusions of grandeur. by JackIsidorein TrueReddit

[–]blackstar9000 7 points8 points ago

Or you could read up on the subjects. Very few TED Talks are so cutting edge that there aren't already a dozen articles and a handful of books on the subject. The appeal of the TED Talk is its flashiness and its convenience.

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