Catholic Church's actual opinion on homosexuality

fearunlovednerd · 2012-05-25T02:37:16.218953+00:00

That catechism talks only about "deep-seated homosexual tendencies" and "inclination".

I've read that the Church is okay with homosexuals, as long as they're celibate. This catechism seems to support that.

However, what is the Church's position on people who perform sexual acts with people of the same gender?

Algernon_Asimov · 2012-05-24T09:17:07.993489+00:00

He has a right to live a lie if that's his preference.

... but not to inflict the consequences of that lie on others, like his wife and his congregation.

ClausoZ · 1 day

Depends on whether you want the original spelling, which is still used in every English-speaking country except one - or the spelling invented by Noah Webster in 1828 for use in one country.

nihilessence · 1 day

... including all the elderly people I've seen turn up when the Astor screens classics from the early days of cinema, and the children who turn up for showings of children's classics.

Algernon_Asimov · 1 day

You're gonna have a hard time.

Why? What am I missing?

Algernon_Asimov · 1 day

A link to an article discussing the issue is not the same as a link to the petition.

heymrk · 3 days

And "The Grandmother" in 'Flowers of the Attic'.

camilstoenescu · 3 days

Nor was Colón.

EDIT: Thanks, jamsm!

camilstoenescu · 4 days

"Columbas not first person to discover America"

Nor was Columbus.

heymrk · 4 days

Robert Hewitt Wolfe was one of the staff writers for 'Deep Space Nine'.

sciam87 · 4 days

You're all missing my point. If you are, like the OP, an atheist, then you don't believe in God. So, why would someone who doesn't believe in God look for faith in something they don't believe in?

rubaisport · 4 days

Which part of ThunderCunt's post says - or even implies - that NSW & Vic are buddies?

akicktotheeye_ · 5 days

Having ~~submittions~~ submissions spread over a 24 hour day plus another 24 hours worth of timezone differences doesn't seem ideal to me.

So, it's a weekend instead of a single day! :)

LuckyBdx4 · 5 days

12% is 1 in 8 people. That's higher than the proportion of homosexuals (5% - 10%). That's higher than the proportion of people who live in rural areas (11%), including farmers. That's higher than the proportion of people who go to church every week (7.5%).

12% is not "fringe". It's not a majority, sure, but it's a significant minority.

EDIT: These statistics apply only to Australia.

sciam87 · 5 days

I didn't explain it properly. Let me try again.

I am an atheist. I have no belief in god/s, nor any faith in god/s. Any god. No matter what concept or image of god you produce, I have no belief or faith in it.

Now, why would someone who has no belief in god/s want to acquire faith in something they don't believe exists? If they're converting to a religion, then they've already acquired the faith that the deity of that religion exists - or they wouldn't be converting. If they don't have faith, then they don't believe there's anything to have faith in.

If you're looking to acquire faith in God, that means you don't believe that God exists, but you want to have faith anyway.

It seems so self-contradictory that I strongly suspect this whole post was a sophisticated trolling exercise.

antidense · 5 days

You should also inform people of possible alternate subreddits they might want to use, such as r/grammar, or r/proofreading.

akicktotheeye_ · 5 days

Sunday... according to what time zone? For instance, I'm posting at abut 08:00 Sunday morning my time (Australia), but it's still Saturday night in parts of Europe and Africa, and Saturday afternoon/evening in the Americas. By the time the Americans wake up on Sunday morning, it'll be Sunday night for me; while the people in the Americas are still on Sunday lunch, I'll have moved on to Monday.

sciam87 · 5 days

It just sounds... strange. Either you have faith in God or you don't. If you already have faith, then you won't look to acquire it. If you don't have faith in God, then "God" is a meaningless concept to you, so why would you look to acquire faith? If "God" is not a meaningless concept, if you already believe that God exists... then you already have faith. If you don't believe that God exists, then you don't need faith. And now my head hurts.

sciam87 · 6 days

I am atheist. I am looking to acquire faith in God.

Why? Why does one look to acquire faith in God?

sciam87 · 6 days

Please don't be misled by aplow76's erroneous assumption about what atheism is.

Only some atheists actively believe ("have faith", as aplow says) that there is/are no god/s. Most atheists, though, simply lack a positive belief in god/s. It's the difference between:

I believe there is no god!

and:

I don't believe there is a god.

These positions are variously referred to as strong or gnostic atheism ("I know there is no god."), and weak or agnostic atheism ("I don't know there is a god.").

sciam87 · 6 days

Just realize that as a non-believer, you still have faith. Your faith is just that there is not a God.

Nope. This is an erroneous assumption about what atheism means. Some atheists actively believe ("have faith", as you say) that there is/are no god/s. Most atheists, though, simply lack a positive belief in god/s. It's the difference between:

I believe there is no god!

and:

I don't believe there is a god.

These positions are variously referred to as strong or gnostic atheism ("I know there is no god."), and weak or agnostic atheism ("I don't know there is a god.").

mikeash · 7 days

I think the question is uninteresting and unproductive, and you've asserted twice now that you think it is valid and important.

Okay. There are people who think that homosexuality is a choice. Whether you or I think it's a choice or not doesn't matter. Whether it is a choice or not doesn't matter. Some people think it is a choice. They just do.

So... given that those people think homosexuality is a choice, they therefore believe that homosexuals choose their sexual attraction. This, by implication, also means that homosexuals are choosing the consequences of that sexual attraction: being rejected and victimised and bullied, and so on. This seems illogical - from the point of view of people who think homosexuality is a choice. Why would someone choose something which causes so much long-term anguish, when they could simply choose to be straight instead, and bathe in the love and acceptance of their peers?

This is a flaw in the argument that homosexuality is a choice. Therefore, it's valid to ask the people who think gays choose to be different why they think gays choose to be ostracised and hated. How does someone who believes that homosexuality is a choice reconcile that with the fact that homosexuals don't choose to straight, simply to avoid the hate and bullying?

This is an extremely valid question, if for no other reason than knowing your enemy. Asking the question might also have the consequence of causing those people to question their belief that homosexuality is a choice.

Why don't you think it's valid to ask those people how they reconcile the apparent contradiction of homosexuals choosing to be hated?

mikeash · 7 days

If a discussion is centred around whether or not the "wrongful lifestyle" of homosexuals is a choice or not

Ah, but it's not. Well, not in this case. This debate is about why people think it's a choice, not whether it is a choice. And, that is a valid question: "Dear people who think that homosexuality is a choice: (and we know you're out there!) If you think that homosexuality is a choice, and not inherent, what do you think motivates homosexuals to choose to be that way, given the negative consequences such as hatred from people like you?"

It's not an investigation of homosexuality, as such - it's an investigation of the minds of some anti-gay people.

You can be as "radical" as you like, and tell us all about your personal sexual history but, as interesting as your point of view is, it's just not pertinent to the OP's question.

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