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Obamacare, abortion, contraceptives and the separation of church and state (self.religion)
submitted 1 year ago by BroChick21
Obamacare is going to force religious organizations to pay for abortions and contraceptives. Do you think this is a breach of the first ammendement? What are your thoughts?
[–]TopRamen713 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I'm a Catholic with split thoughts on abortion - I believe they should be legal for practical reasons (no one wants to return to days of back-alley abortion clinics), but we should do anything in our power to reduce the need for them. This includes increasing the availability of contraceptives to those who don't want to have children, but also support for single mothers and other struggling families.
I've had quite a few thoughts about this issue since it was brought up a few weeks ago during a sermon by our priest. (Want to talk about separation of Church and State, btw? What happened to no politics on the pulpit?) After some looking into it, I think the mandate is fine.
First, let's get it in the open - they are opposed to mandate that insurers cover abortion. The vast majority of Catholics support and use birth control (something like 98% of sexually active Catholic women have used it). If bishops and priests don't get that, they need to get their asses and get out of the 18th century.
Next, notice that they always mentions "Religious Institutions" having to pay for the insurance, implying that they are talking about Churches. This is false, Churches, religious organizations and other places of worship are allowed to get exemptions. It's places like Church run schools and hospitals, places where the majority of employees may not even be of the religion, that the insurance mandate affects.
Secondly, I don't see the outcry coming from them about having to fund executions and wars. They always say "pro life from contraception til natural death," but the truth of the matter is that the majority of their complaints come in opposition to abortion.
Finally, where does it end? Should Jews and Muslims not be required to pay taxes for meat inspectors for non Kosher/Halal meat? What about Quakers funding the armed forces? Amish people funding roads?!
The truth of the matter is that, for better or worse, we all pay in part for things we morally oppose or don't use. That's just the nature of government. You can't make a successful government run purely on donations, and I wouldn't want to live somewhere where the only form of voting is done with your wallet.
[–]BroChick21[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Thank you for such an informative post. This really does help clear things up.
[–]alittler 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
What do you mean you wouldn't want to? Where do you think you live right now?
[–]TopRamen713 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Good point :P
[–]alittler 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
It's actually not, as religious organizations like churches pay no taxes. 'Obamacare' (aka Romneycare) is just payment for basic healthcare.
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[–]MadHanks 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
A deeper look at that 98% of Catholic women using contracption statistic: http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2012/02/how_to_lie_with_statistics_exa_1.html
[–]BubbaMetzia -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
This secular coercion violates the free exercise clause of the first amendment.
It also looks like it will cause more Catholics to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is during the election in November.
[–]alittler -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Also, the bible says women should not speak, should Christian tax payers not fund female teachers?
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