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Girlfriend will only have sex after a shower (self.relationship_advice)

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Hello, just need to get this off my chest and maybe get some advice. So, I moved in with my girlfriend of 2 years and ever since we got together, we only have sex after the both of us have taken a shower. I understand the need to be clean and the hygiene thing, but COME ON, I need spontaneous sex now and again. We have this routine right now, where somewhere after 11 pm she goes and takes a shower, I walk the dog and then I take a shower... But after that we are either too tired or we are not in the mood for it any more. I went down to almost once a month :( Any ideas would be REALLY helpful guys. Thank you

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[–]The_Other_Person 86 points87 points ago*

If a carton of milk or something gets spilled on her, she will basically have to take a shower right then. Just sayin'. 

 Warning: this is a terrible idea.

[–]joazito 18 points19 points ago

This is brilliant!

[–]I_feel_lucky 5 points6 points ago

Its only a terrible idea if the objective of sexytime is making babies.

[–]doctorsax 55 points56 points ago

I can't believe nobody has suggested simply talking to her about this. Have you confronted the issue head-on, and just asks her WHY she feels this need to shower immediately before sex? She might have some kind of psychological issue about sex that you have absolutely no idea about. You'll continue not to know unless you talk to her.

Just ask her why she feels this way, calmly and in an understanding way. DON'T do it around the time that an issue is about to arise (shower time, bedtime etc) as it will be more likely to turn into an argument. Do it at a different time of day to remove some of the emotional charge and the frustration you feel about it.

[–]novelty_para[S] 15 points16 points ago

This argument came up A LOT in the past months, but to no visible change. She just does not want to have sex without a shower, but she won't take a shower earlier... can't seem to understand why and she won't explain why either

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[–]doctorsax 13 points14 points ago

So talk to her, and ask her, but don't accuse her or insult her. It's going to be a hard talk, but you'll have to convince her to trust you even if she thinks it's an icky subject to discuss with her boyfriend.

Yep, very much this. You need to make a safe space for her to discuss this delicate issue before she'll even consider being vulnerable enough to tell you what the real issue is. So be understanding and loving, and make sure she knows you're only asking because you love her and want your relationship to be the best it can be, with no secrets or misunderstandings that could possibly hurt it down the line.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points ago

Maybe she's secretly a Japanese.

[–]Drmrfreckles 19 points20 points ago

Do you shower often she could be trying to hint that she thinks your dirty. How often do you shower normally?

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

we shower every evening. morning showers are out of the question, she ain't really a morning person :(

[–]Drmrfreckles 7 points8 points ago

Does she have any other neat freak habits? I mean once everyday is pretty perfect. I dont see how you could expect anyone to be any cleaner.

[–]novelty_para[S] 2 points3 points ago

Yes, a VERY VERY long routine to apply creams on her body after the shower...

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[–]advocatadiaboli 3 points4 points ago

Don't you know your girlfriend[/boyfriend] well enough

Most of the posts in this subreddit make me as this.

[–]fortune_cell 2 points3 points ago

How long?

[–]accentsturnmeon 1 point2 points ago

Help her apply cream in a sexy manner... might help speed things up in terms of initiating sexy times earlier.

[–]WolfManZack 13 points14 points ago

Every time I see someone use the term "sexy times", I assume they rarely have sex.

[–]accentsturnmeon 7 points8 points ago

It's just a dry spell, I swear.

[–]thecrosseyedbear 1 point2 points ago

SHE HAS OCD. I'm like... 95% sure. The fact that it's so routine and methodical, and that she can't be convinced to alter her routine (shower earlier), is what convinces me. As someone with OCD, I can tell you that if this is what it is, she is probably PROFOUNDLY uncomfortable with the idea of sex with someone who is "not clean"; the only way to get over that is for her to get acclimated to it and see that it won't kill her. Have you ever talked to her about this, or seen other signs (rigid routines, repeatedly doing things that seem unnecessary like washing hands more than usual or checking and re-checking things...)?

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

Indeed, I have, but came to no conclusion... she just takes a shower when she is too tired to do anything else

[–]thecrosseyedbear 1 point2 points ago

You've seen other OCD symptoms, you mean?

[–]thatalbatross 49 points50 points ago

I do the same thing with my boyfriend for two reasons. The first is that he doesn't take a shower every day, which I find disgusting and have been trying to subtly hit at without hurting his feelings. It hasn't worked, but that's another story.

The second is that, as a girl, things aren't too awesome down there after I've been sitting around at work in pants being all... human all day. Not gonna lie. I don't want my boyfriend anywhere near my stuff if it's not sparkling. She may be self conscious about this, too.

[–]iamanomynous 10 points11 points ago

Not showering everyday is disgusting? What do each of you do?

[–]BuddhaCat 17 points18 points ago

If a dick has not been washed in 24 hours there is no way I'm putting it in my mouth. I'd still have sex though.

[–]thatalbatross 6 points7 points ago

This. I've given a BJ on a non-fresh piece ONCE and I had to stop. He thought I ruined the moment by giving a bad BJ but in fact I was trying not to gag from the funky smell. Yikes. Now it's "take a shower or you're not getting laid."

[–]iamanomynous 5 points6 points ago

Agreed.

[–]thatalbatross 6 points7 points ago

Well, my dude has pretty bad BO and doesn't realize it. And he'll go for days without a shower (or changing underwear... ick). As I'm attracted to clean, good-smelling people, I'd personally prefer he'd shower every day. I have no idea how to tell him. And as I said in my first comment, as a girl, I'm not confident in my nether regions cleanliness after a whole day of using the restroom, wiping with TP, sweating and just being a girl in general. I wouldn't go down on a girl who hadn't recently washed and I wouldn't expect my significant other to do so.

Maybe a large factor is the fact that we live in Florida? Step outside for a few minutes to get the mail and you're nasty.

[–]OompaOrangeFace 5 points6 points ago

I MUST shower every day or else I feel like a grease ball...even on days when I don't do anything at all (never leaving the house).

[–]beautyisdead -1 points0 points ago

Who cares? You SHOULD shower everyday. Jesus Christ.

[–]iamanomynous 1 point2 points ago

Not really.

[–]novelty_para[S] 8 points9 points ago

I understand this fully, and I agree with you. The least she could do is take a shower EARLIER that 11 pm, but there's no way that will happen. I even tried going first in the shower, but she still waits until she is too tired :(

[–]arquebus_x 14 points15 points ago

Why not shower together?

[–]AQMessiah 22 points23 points ago

I'm thinking that you may be the shtanky one in the relationship and she's just hinting towards it by making you both take a shower. I say shower at 8, make your move without her showering and see what happens.

[–]impotent_rage 3 points4 points ago

yeah the reason this is in the unreasonable zone is because she's also unwilling to alter her shower routine. Ok you only want sex after a shower...ok thats fine...so go shower! If she won't, the issue is lack of sex, the rest is just excuses.

You may find lots in common with the folks over at r/deadbedrooms

[–]Crystalinfire 0 points1 point ago

That's sad that reddit exists.

[–]thatalbatross 0 points1 point ago

I see, that is strange. I have to take a shower as soon as I get home from work. It's strange that she's so locked into this routine. Maybe she likes to make sure she's getting into bed as clean as possible or something. Hmm.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

That's the problem. we always have showers before AND after sex

[–]stonecold316 -1 points0 points ago

i get self-conscious about not being too awesome down there too... but i remedy this by using baby wipes. i'm too lazy to bathe daily.

[–]deadundead 19 points20 points ago

Now, don't quote me on this, but it could be a cultural thing. I think it's seen as pretty common in Japan to shower before sex. Could this apply at all to your situation?

[–]novelty_para[S] 1 point2 points ago

no, we are not Japanese

[–]monsieurlee 14 points15 points ago

From what I hear, this is standard operating procedure in Japan. If someone invites you to their house and mentioned that you can take a shower, that you means you should jump in the shower and clean up so you can get busy.

I can see that. That country is CLEAN.

[–]Thecardinal74 2 points3 points ago*

42 comments and nobody said it?

Shower together. But dont be pushy... Simply wait a few minutes after she starts her shower, knock, and ask if you can help wash her back.

This will not only allow you both to be clean and non-self-conscious, but will double as foreplay. Which will remedy your "losing interest while you wait for each other" dilemma.

[–]BadDecisionDino 5 points6 points ago

The no sex before a shower thing is understandable. The no shower before 11 PM thing is insane. She is clearly lying to avoid sex. She's also a shitty liar. This is not about showers. You've got bigger problems, and I suspect if she's going through so much trouble to avoid addressing them, it's going to take a lot of prying and bullshit just to get a straight answer out of her.

[–]suzepie 2 points3 points ago

Yep, I agree. When you're down to once a month, it has nothing to do with showering and everything to do with a disinterest in intimacy, and that is the issue that needs to be addressed here. Pushing to change the shower schedule won't do a thing. It's time for a talk about your differing levels of sexual desire.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

yeah, i see you understand me.

[–]MadCook 18 points19 points ago

welcome to /r/deadbedrooms

[–]chtrchtr_pussyeater 2 points3 points ago

What a depressing realistic view of a lot of relationships, but I think I love this subreddit.

[–]ConcordApes 7 points8 points ago

Walk the dog earlier & start showering with her.

[–]novelty_para[S] 4 points5 points ago

I tried that. She got pissed because I kept pushing her to take a shower even tho I HINTED we should take one together. Number of shower sexy times in 2 years: 3

[–]Weakness 12 points13 points ago

You may be too subtle. Just be frank "I respect that you want to shower before we have sex, so let's take a shower now, because I am horny."

[–]jaskmackey 8 points9 points ago

Or, "Listen, I understand that you have a routine you need to stick to, but all these rules and restrictions aren't working for me. We are adults in a sexual relationship, and we need to compromise and figure out a way for both of us to get what we want and need." Then have a long talk.

[–]ConcordApes 5 points6 points ago

Ironic that she gets pissed that you push her to take a show.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

yeah...

[–]annoyedatwork 1 point2 points ago

Almost sounds like this is more of a control thing on her part, as opposed to hygiene.

[–]fortune_cell 2 points3 points ago

If she's embarrassed about being dirty downstairs you could suggest just cleaning off with wet wipes?

[–]eatpaste 2 points3 points ago

if your frequency of sex never gets higher, are you ok in this relationship? if the answer to that is no, you need to sit her down during a low stress time and say, "hey, i really love you, love xyz about you, my life is better in 123 ways because we're together - however, our frequency of sex isn't enough. i've tried to compromise and guess at what you're thinking, but i can't do this all on my own. what can we do to fix this?" if she's evasive or says she's perfectly happy with the frequency, then it's time to move on.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

been there, tried that. it usually ends up in a fight. no make up sex afterwards. like, ever

[–]eatpaste 2 points3 points ago

if you've already been there, done that - why are you still together? you seem to be missing the last step. this isn't a tactic to get make up sex. this is a tactic to find out if you're compatible. you can't make this woman have a higher libido. you can't convince her to want sex more. there are women out there with higher libidos. your choices are stay in a relationship where the amount of sex is never up to your satisfaction or go through some hurt and break up and find a woman better suited for you.

[–]ConcordApes 6 points7 points ago

OK. Time to change up your routine.

  • Get home from work.

  • Take a shower (yes, really).

  • Dress nicely.

  • Immediately take dog for a long walk. Go chill out at a local bar. Watch some sports. Hang out with friends, whatever.

  • Come back a couple of hours later.

  • When it comes time to go to bed, skip the normal shower time.

  • If she pushes, tell her no thanks, you only do that just before sex and you are tired tonight/Not interested.

  • Wash. Lather. Repeat for several weeks.

[–]novelty_para[S] 11 points12 points ago

That would work if I COULD go out with friends without her... but that NEVER EVER EVER happens. I'm always with her (except when I'm at work)

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points ago

I think that might be part of your problem...

[–]doctorsax 19 points20 points ago

Woah. You have no leisure time apart? That's a massive problem. Time apart is just as important as time together.

[–]diothar 10 points11 points ago

Yeah, I've made this mistake in previous relationships. Don't exclude her, but you guys must have some time to yourselves

[–]drivebyjustin 6 points7 points ago

if I COULD go out with friends without her

Why can't you?

[–]silverionmox 2 points3 points ago

This is your problem. You're a piece of furniture, the old family dog, that everyone kicks to chase him away when he comes begging for table scraps.

[–]discworldian 1 point2 points ago

You what.

How does that even work - how old are the both of you?

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

26, both of us

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[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

I have, a lot, but we only go out together...

[–]Deradius 1 point2 points ago

And I think the advice you are getting might be that you ought to change that fact.

[–]Enphuego -1 points0 points ago

Why can't you? Go out, turn off your cell phone and don't tell her where you are going. Refuse to deal with the wrath when you get back. Insist that doing things on your own is perfectly normal behavior and you won't be goaded into apologizing because you aren't sorry.

[–]eatpaste 6 points7 points ago

it's probably quicker to just break up, as that will be the end result of this plan.

[–]Enphuego -3 points-2 points ago

The end result of catering to a woman's ridiculous demands is a complete lack of respect followed by a lack of attraction. She'll get over him going out.

[–]eatpaste 4 points5 points ago

you pretty much have to put your foot down in a new relationship - fixing this one by going out and turning the phone off won't end with respect. this will just end in 6 months of fights that come to a head when one of them cheats on the other to get back at them. adults say what they need in a relationship and if they don't get it they move on. children play games.

[–]festizian 2 points3 points ago

Is it possible that she is not comfortable with herself/secretions? Does she allow cunnilingus? I am thinking that it may be a self image issue, partly. Talk!

[–]novelty_para[S] 1 point2 points ago

I do not know, she allows cunnilingus, she even likes it...

[–]Volgyi2000 16 points17 points ago

I fell out of my chair at "she even likes it"

[–]festizian 0 points1 point ago

Shoots down my theory. So strange. If you get something out of her, please update us!

[–]bobored 2 points3 points ago

I think the idea that someone always has to shower and showers at a set time to then have sex at the set time is the antithesis of sex, frankly. It comes across as a little bit like going to work. Somehow, somewhere this habit or idea has become ingrained. I am sure you have tried it, but maybe telling her that she smells yummy when she's sweaty, that it's a turn on and/or being honest that rules, schedules, routine, can take away the excitement of being able to take someone when you're seized with a moment of being hot for them?

[–]afallucco 1 point2 points ago

So uh, save water shower together. Girls think logically right? right!?

[–]hamiltongirl 2 points3 points ago

Is she Asian? That's really common in Asian cultures.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

no, Caucasian

[–]Toc_a_Somaten 0 points1 point ago

been there!!

[–]DrLana 1 point2 points ago

Liquor her up and seduce her.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

she doesn't drink. at all...

[–]sparktika 2 points3 points ago

Am I the only one that prefers showering AFTER sex. That is when I get all sweaty and covered in..um..man juice.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

I used to like it too... but she doesn't

[–]alexryane2 1 point2 points ago

If your girlfriend is not having sex with you you need to have having sex with someone else.

[–]l00pee 1 point2 points ago

My girlfriend are the same way, and it's great because we're both oral people. However, sometimes I just pull her clothes off and make it happen. We skip much of the foreplay and go at it. Then it's back to the shower routine.

One suggestion for you. My girlfriend and I ALWAYS take the pre-sex shower together. Shower foreplay keeps the feeling alive.

[–]_UsUrPeR_ 0 points1 point ago

Share a shower at noon on a weekend?

[–]pissflap 3 points4 points ago

invite her to have a shower...A GOLDEN SHOWER!!

[–]feathers77 0 points1 point ago

From reading the other comments, it sounds as though you're tackling it wrong (to me...).

Argument... no change... etc.

Clearly there is some root cause / underlying reason as to the excessive or pre-sex shower.

Is it stress of the new house? Changes in her work? Or simply as others put, a bit of 'sexual' hygiene is helping (her).

I personally think you need to get out of your head "problem" and turn into more "understanding". Now I'm not saying thats easy to do, but I think you're more likely to see a change, than if it turns into "this problems is not giving me enough sex".

IMHO

[–]donnamon 0 points1 point ago

Why not shower together and move it to the bed after that?

[–]tonytwotoes 0 points1 point ago

how does your girlfriend feel about taking showers together? if she's up for it, i'd suggest the next time she was in the shower you surprise her by joining her ..

alternatively, if she's the one that insists that you take a shower maybe she has an aversion to a smell that you have.. have you asked her if she thinks that you're smelly/dirty?

you could take a shower before she gets home and see if she's okay with having sex with you then (before she takes hers)

[–]novelty_para[S] 1 point2 points ago

she always gets home before I do, so that is out of the question. She never complained about my smell, and I asked her A TON of times, she said she likes my smell. Tried joining in the shower, doesn't really work, she always complains about not being able to clean herself properly when i join her

[–]tonytwotoes 0 points1 point ago

... i'm wondering if she was ever told in her past that she was smelly down there. its the only thing i can think of to give her this complex that you must be squeaky clean before having sex. if she's not smelly ever down there let her know.. go down on her before she takes a shower, make yummy noises.. ask her to keep her musk ready for you (i.e. not shower after her day), if that's your thing...

either way good luck man

[–]MisterMetal 0 points1 point ago

Some time to yourselves would help a lot, get outside activities from each other; start watching a sport if you dont and get wings / beers with the boys on that night. She can go out for drinks with the girls on that night / yoga / coffee with them w.e she wants to do with her friends.

Another topic to consider is maybe you arnt romancing her as much as you use too, and she wants you to make her feel sexy again? Its a tricky thing to balance romance when youre living together and have everyday life stuff to deal with, but its something can slip away pretty quickly.

The last thing, has she ever said anything about giving up on looking good / blow jobs / sex when she gets married? Some women have been known to do that in long term relationships.

[–]mandano 0 points1 point ago

Why not get her to take a shower earlier? Or start some foreplay and take it to the shower

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

she is never in a mood before a shower and won't let me touch her

[–]mandano 1 point2 points ago

Time to say "either get over it, or shower earlier, or I'm out"

[–]meeohmi 0 points1 point ago

She's either incredibly self conscious about her own cleanliness or she's using the shower as an excuse to get out of sex. End of story. You should already know how to fix the former. The latter is pretty sticky. She might not want to admit she has a low libido. Or she's in denial, in which case even broaching the subject may make her defensive and resentful. In any case, you've got your work cut out for you.

[–]eatpaste 0 points1 point ago

is she on birth control or anti-depressants? both of those can kill a libido. if so, and if this is something she wants to fix, a talk with her doctor might be in order.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

birth control. the thing is, she only takes it 9 months a year. the rest of the time, we use condoms. but still no change in libido

[–]eatpaste 1 point2 points ago

that's a terrible schedule! 3 months isn't really enough time for the hormones to bounce back to normal. it can take up to six. i would never take birth control that way. it would make me crazy pants.

[–]HolyPeas 1 point2 points ago

Some people just are not comfortable being that intimate without a shower. She may also get UTIs if she does it any other way, this is common. If she is not willing to meet you in the middle and you are not willing to bend to her needs you guys may not be sexually compatible.

[–]novelty_para[S] 1 point2 points ago

I think that might be the problem indeed :(

[–]collegeisascam -1 points0 points ago

There's probably fecal matter mixed into the hair surrounding your balloon knot. Can you really blame her? I mean, the act of smelling a fart is inhaling tiny particles of feces. Probably 7-11 feces.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

what's wrong with showering before sex?

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

absolutely nothing. the problem is that she only allows me to touch her AFTER a shower, and she takes the showers so late, that she ain't in the mood any more

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

oh, yes. this is a problem.

i propose dipping broken glass with straight up caffeine. then put said broken glass into her slippers that she uses when she comes out of the shower. the broken glass will push the caffeine directly into her blood.

she will also instantly develop a fetish for violent loud sex. so when she comes into the room screaming fuck you, you do as she says. she will be awake all night.

[–]zierark217 0 points1 point ago

Yeah just talk to her and be honest with her. No use in keeping silent about anything that could hurt your relationship.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

I've tried that and the result is always the same: we both say we will have more sex, but nothing ever happens.

[–]zierark217 1 point2 points ago

Honestly im not sure what to do after that but don't give up im sure someone here will be able to help.

[–]YourDirtySlut 0 points1 point ago

Spontaneously tell her on multiple occasions how much you love her smell. Problem solved.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

that is actually a good idea, i will try that, thanks

[–]YourDirtySlut 1 point2 points ago

And if she's sweaty, tell her that her sweat turns you on. from personal experience I can tell you it helps a LOT.

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[–]novelty_para[S] 1 point2 points ago

nothing.

[–]OompaOrangeFace 0 points1 point ago

I'm a guy, and I couldn't imagine having sex without taking a shower. Then again, I'm ultra hygienic and don't go out in public unless I've taken a shower within the preceding 3 hours.

[–]novelty_para[S] 0 points1 point ago

I respect and understand that, and I do that myself.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

Have you tried rape surprise sex?

[–]novelty_para[S] -1 points0 points ago

yes, I have, she's not into that :(

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

maybe shes just really good at role playing?

[–]peachfuzz89 -4 points-3 points ago

Wait, people have sex without showering first?

TIL. Gross.

[–]Rose1982 2 points3 points ago

Okay peachfuzz... when you grow up you might actually enjoy the scent of your partner. I'm not saying I like the smell of a ball sack after a 10k run or anything, but after a non-strenuous day at work or running errands there's nothing gross about a little sexual intimacy unless one of you has a serious sweat/odor problem.

[–]silverionmox 0 points1 point ago

There are more bacteria in your kitchen than on your toilet seat. The little bowls of nuts they serve at drinking places have on average traces of 15 different persons' urine in them. Doorknobs are essential in transmitting diseases. When people speak, they emit air laced with moisture and whatever fauna is in their mouths.

There. Sleep well. (And don't worry about the millions of mites in your mattress - they particularly thrive on sex fluids.)

[–]peachfuzz89 0 points1 point ago

I'm not bothered by most of that but seriously, you're going to have sex. You're going to be exploring every inch of someone else's body after a day at work without a shower?

Asking your partner to take a shower seems reasonable to me.

[–]binkkit 1 point2 points ago

Yes, but demanding it seems less so.

[–]peachfuzz89 -1 points0 points ago

I don't think it does.

[–]binkkit 2 points3 points ago

That's you, then. But when you get older you'll find that lots of people don't feel that way. Just ask Napoleon.

[–]peachfuzz89 0 points1 point ago

The person who first got me thinking about that issue was over 40 ಠ_ಠ

I just think it makes sense. Why would you rather fool around with someone stinking from a day at work when you can just take a shower?

Also, what would Napoleon say if I was to ask him?

[–]silverionmox 1 point2 points ago

"I'm coming home, Josephine. Don't wash - I like your smell."

[–]binkkit 0 points1 point ago

Day at work, sure. But what happens when you're out somewhere and things get hot and heavy but there's not a shower handy? Is it always a showstopper? I think you're going to miss out on some fun times if it is.

On the other hand, if the OP breaks up with his girlfriend over it, you might have a match made in heaven!

Napoleon is said to have sent a letter to Josephine something along the lines of "I'll be coming home three days from now. Don't wash."

[–]peachfuzz89 -1 points0 points ago*

Day at work, sure. But what happens when you're out somewhere and things get hot and heavy but there's not a shower handy? Is it always a showstopper? I think you're going to miss out on some fun times if it is.

Well.. no. It wouldn't be a showstopper unless it really killed my boner. Don't ask me how strong the smell would have to be for that to happen because I don't know.

On the other hand, if the OP breaks up with his girlfriend over it, you might have a match made in heaven!

Finally, some hope!

Napoleon is said to have sent a letter to Josephine something along the lines of "I'll be coming home three days from now. Don't wash."

I guess that is indeed worse than a day without showering.

I know you mentioned napoleon as a joke but some other guy mentioned the times when 'we' lived god knows where, without access to the things we have today. I don't think it is fair to ask me to get used to smelly people when most people around me have access to water and soap.

[–]silverionmox 0 points1 point ago

When having sex your body oozes all kinds of secretions out all kinds of orificis, that shower won't make a difference. I do recognize that having a physical job in a hot, dusty warehouse in summer is different from being a desk jockey in winter.

[–]Unicornmayo 0 points1 point ago

Shocking how our forefathers did it for thousands of years before us... Oh wait.

[–]peachfuzz89 -2 points-1 points ago

Why dont you treat yourself to a life in the woods then?

[–]haesuse -2 points-1 points ago

She's probably got a stanking twat.

[–]BaronOvHell -2 points-1 points ago

Are you both/either of you fat?

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