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[–]smacktoward 25 points26 points ago*

The iconic film private eye is probably Humphrey Bogart, who played Sam Spade in the classic 1941 version of The Maltese Falcon and Philip Marlowe in 1946's The Big Sleep. Both Spade and Marlowe are classic characters from pulp detective stories. These characters, and more specifically Bogart's take on them, did a lot to set in place the image of the P.I. that you're talking about, so they're a great place to start.

The P.I. movie is part of a broader genre called film noir, whose name refers both to its visual style and use of light and shadow (emphasized by the black-and-white film most noirs were shot on) and to the cynical, hard-bitten plot of the typical noir story. Once you've got up to speed on P.I. movies you may want to explore the rest of the noir genre as well; good places to start there are 1944's Double Indemnity, 1949's The Third Man (a British noir, which contrasts interestingly with the American version), and White Heat, also from '49.

There have been a lot of attempts at "neo-noir" since the genre's classic period ended in the 1950s, but they tend to be hit or miss because many neo-noir filmmakers focus more on the visual style than on the underlying sense of futility and hopelessness that noir embraced. The best of them is probably Chinatown, from 1974. Blade Runner from 1982 is a classic sci-fi adaptation of the noir style. For a decent (and underappreciated, sadly) modern take on the figure of the noir-style P.I., look up 1998's Zero Effect.

[–]girafa 4 points5 points ago

Sam Spade was also in The Long Goodbye (1973), also a private detective movie.

[–]smacktoward 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, but Spade is played completely differently in that one. First off, the actor is Elliott Gould, who has a very different type of screen presence than Bogart did. (Gould is a fine actor, but when he tried to play tough guys he was never really quite able to pull it off -- see, for instance, his cigar-chomping paratrooper in A Bridge Too Far, which feels particularly off-key.) Second, the film handles the character differently, as a sort of vehicle for commenting on the '60s and '70s rather than on a character planted firmly in the '30s/'40s setting he was created in.

Which isn't to say that it's a bad movie necessarily, just that it's not the first place I would direct someone looking to learn about the classic noir P.I.

[–]girafa 1 point2 points ago

It ain't a bad film at all, it's excellent. But don't let me stop your pedagogical juggernaut here. You're doing great with a fav genre of mine. Just got off a noir bender of Body Heat, Double Indemnity, Key Largo, Laura, Notorious, Red Rock West, Sunset Blvd, Night of the Hunter, Long Goodbye, Big Sleep, White Heat, etc.

Another obscure private eye modern noir is Devil in a Blue Dress, with Denzel Washington and Don Cheadle, from 1995. Good flick.

A big giant list is here: http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/film-noir/

[–]smacktoward 0 points1 point ago

Oh God, Key Largo is excellent -- great addition. Red Rock West is another underappreciated neo-noir, too.

[–]HarryBridges 1 point2 points ago

Not the first place to go for sure, but it's definitely an interesting update. It also contains two of the great violence scenes in 70s cinema: the 'Her I love, you I don't even like.' scene and the final scene down in Mexico. It's a great, great movie, but definitely a major departure from the 1940s style.

[–]girafa 1 point2 points ago

F'n love that ending. I recall reading how Altman demanded it staying the way it was written.

[–]xChri5x 0 points1 point ago

It was actually Philip Marlowe, not Sam Spade.

[–]only2shirts 2 points3 points ago

Man, I'm so glad someone said Zero Effect. I don't know how that awesome movie is so overlooked.

[–]yorko 0 points1 point ago

It's missing something. That's all.

[–]gh0st32 0 points1 point ago

Thanks for mentioning 'The Third Man' that movie doesn't get the respect it deserves. Who is Harry Lime?

[–]lasttide 0 points1 point ago

Upvoted for comrehensiveness.

[–]paper_zoe 0 points1 point ago

A great description. Adding to it, there are also a lot of good French noirs from the 1950s and 1960s. Rififi and Alphaville are probably my favourite. Jean-Pierre Melville was also famous for his film noirs.

A few people have also mentioned the influence film noirs have had on the Coen brothers, e.g. Miller's Crossing, The Big Lebowski, etc.

[–]robociv 1 point2 points ago

no love for Brick? my favorite P.I. fiml

[–]ConstructiveSarcasm 0 points1 point ago

Brick is incredible.

[–]kekembas17 11 points12 points ago

Who Framed Roger Rabbit.Replace Dame with toons.End of conversation.

[–]gosassin 9 points10 points ago

Chinatown. The Big Sleep. The Maltese Falcon. The Big Lebowski. Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid.

[–]Turkman-182 0 points1 point ago

Now that is an excellent list. I'd add Blood Simple and maybe Blue Velvet but I guess that depends on whether you consider the leads in those true private eyes. Seems to fit the genre though.

[–]girafa 0 points1 point ago

Not private eyes at all in those films. Didn't the guy in Blue Velvet work at a hardware store?

[–]renf 0 points1 point ago

Lebowski isn't a private eye either, but he is included in the original list because he functions as one. This is sufficient for me to consider it a "Detective Film."

[–]girafa 0 points1 point ago

Certainly, I'm just nit-picking. Nearly any Noirish film will contain someone being a detective. LA Confidential, Double Indemnity, Rebecca.

Gets tricky though- some Noirs have little to nothing to do with investigating a mystery. Sunset Blvd, I Confess, Strangers on a Train, most Hitchcock stuff.

I know you didn't ask, I'm just ranting.

[–]manny_plaquiao_dds 1 point2 points ago

Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid was hilarious.

[–]mdmiller 7 points8 points ago

Who Framed Roger Rabbit is a great film. I also love the old dick tracy movie.

[–]Five4Fighting 12 points13 points ago

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

[–]jakefortress 0 points1 point ago

YES!

[–]kekembas17 4 points5 points ago

My two contributions would be The French Connection or one of my favorites.....

The Maltese Falcon

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033870/

[–]girafa 1 point2 points ago

They were police in The French Connection, not private eyes. Private eyes are civilian detectives.

[–]kekembas17 0 points1 point ago

Still.Watch The French Connection anyway! Pretend they are private eyes.

[–]girafa 2 points3 points ago

hahaha agreed. love the movie.

[–]gadd_zookes 12 points13 points ago

I can't tell if I like the movie or not, but Brick is a neat neo-noir set in a high school with Joseph Gordon Levitt

but the real winner here is WFRR

[–]IronThighs91 3 points4 points ago

I'm still not sure how I feel about that movie...

[–]A_terrible_comment -1 points0 points ago

But Brick is terrible. Everybody loves it, why?

[–]palsh7 -1 points0 points ago

A_terrible_comment

[–]agusohyeah 0 points1 point ago

Brick is a great choice to begin with, since it's loaded with private eye tropes, and it's probably easier to digest for a first time noir viewer than going head on on bogart. Awesome movie.

[–]fedaykin13 2 points3 points ago

Some mentioned are great.

The Killers is a great one. Definitely noir.

A sort of crossover private eye, noir, horror film In the Mouth of Madness

[–]Fiascoe 1 point2 points ago

And I like their song "All these things that I've done."

[–]jakefortress 0 points1 point ago

Ha thats what I thought of originally.

[–]combatz 2 points3 points ago

Angel Heart, stars Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro. A bit strange, but a good, interesting movie.

[–]renf 0 points1 point ago*

Can't believe no one's mentioned Altman's The Long Goodbye. Not just a great detective film, also one of my favorite movies of all time.

edit: typo

[–]PlayOnPlayer 3 points4 points ago

CHINATOWN CHINATOWN CHINATOWN... blade runner... blue velvet... most episodes of Wishbone...

[–]TweetWilliams 1 point2 points ago

Not all noir film falls under the private eye genre, but they mostly share much of the same traits. I'd check out Blade Runner, The Long Goodbye, Rififi, Le Cercle Rouge, and The Big Lebowski, just to get you started. Who Framed Roger Rabbit would indeed be a great place to start.

[–]girafa 0 points1 point ago

The only private eye in The Big Lebowski was Jon Polito, to be fair. Had one scene.

[–]TweetWilliams 0 points1 point ago

True, but almost every character in the film is a film noir archetype, and The Dude definitely fits the Philip Marlowe shoes rather well. I figured since OP hasn't seen many movies in the genre, this would be an easier stepping stone than something crazy convoluted like The Big Sleep.

[–]girafa 0 points1 point ago

You're right, I'm just nitpicking.

[–]VanillaHaze[S] 0 points1 point ago

Thanks for all the tips!

[–]fedaykin13 0 points1 point ago

Panic in the Streets! Forgot about that one. Jack Pallance is great

[–]cogsvp 0 points1 point ago

lord of illusions

[–]awills 0 points1 point ago

Someone else already said The Killers, but I'd second that. Also check out Out of the Past.

[–]xcrowtrobotx 0 points1 point ago

Gone Baby Gone was pretty good.

[–]Phaderus42 0 points1 point ago

It's not a movie, but the video game "L.A. Noir" does an excellent job of creating an interactive noir film, something I wouldn't have thought possible until I played it.

[–]jakefortress 0 points1 point ago

The correct title is L.A. Noire.

[–]the_merk 1 point2 points ago

brick is a good neo-noir. se7en is pretty fantastic.

it's a bit more lighthearted, but the tv show vanessa mars is a lighter take on the genre.

[–]the_merk 0 points1 point ago

brick is a good neo-noir. se7en is pretty fantastic.

it's a bit more lighthearted, but the tv show vanessa mars is a lighter take on the genre.

[–]rawbamatic 0 points1 point ago

Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid. Steve Martin at his finest.

[–]Gulogan 0 points1 point ago

Chinatown is the gold standard of private eye mystery movies imo but is lacking in the film noire side of things as much of the film takes place durring the day.

DARK CITY on the other hand is 100% film noire but lacking in the private eye/detective side of things as it is primarily a science-fiction mystery film.

Dark City is a great little overlooked gem.

[–]Ausrufepunkt 0 points1 point ago

Maybe Following ?

[–]kingmoose 0 points1 point ago

china town

[–]archonemis 0 points1 point ago

Zero Effect / China Town.

And also a little Vertigo.

[–]daihon2882 0 points1 point ago

watch memento

[–]jdl2003 1 point2 points ago

The Long Goodbye by Robert Altman and starring Elliot Gould.

[–]bugseverywhere 0 points1 point ago

Get Shorty.

The Limey.

The Last Boyscout.

Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[–]modernwallflower 0 points1 point ago

the conversation is great a great one!

[–]Bokthand 0 points1 point ago

LA Confidential was a pretty good, recent noire.

[–]raineyrainey1000 1 point2 points ago

I would have to say Chinatown is the pick of the bunch, Jack Nicholson is unforgettably good in it. Brick has a great modern twist on things, highly stylized (if thats your thing). The Coen Brothers debut Blood simple is also well worth a look (if only for Frances Mcdormand topless)

[–]NeonLiger 0 points1 point ago

I'm not even sure if this fits the topic, but Following was such a good movie. One of Christopher Nolan's first. It may actually be his first, IDK!

[–]theredball 1 point2 points ago

The big lebowski

[–]angry_minja 1 point2 points ago

Very good suggestions here. I'd add Miller's Crossing, a Coen brothers mystery.

[–]paper_zoe 1 point2 points ago

A brilliant film, the Coens' best, in my opinion. Partly inspired by Red Harvest and The Glass Key by Dashiell Hammett.

[–]ButteredCherry 0 points1 point ago

Angel Heart.

[–]0oflife 0 points1 point ago

Not really relevant, but if you’re interested, check out Brick. Felt like a modern day indie twist to the genre. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0393109/

[–]secretvictory -3 points-2 points ago

brick

[–]archonemis -2 points-1 points ago

Fucking LOVED brick.

Some people hate - I think its art.