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I can get Pujols. But should I? (self.fantasybaseball)

submitted ago by KTrout17

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12 team non-keeper h2h 6x6. I'm leading all pitching categories. I was offered Pujols for Fielder and Liriano and I rejected. I offered Braden instead, and he rejected. He asked for Jamie Garcia instead...I can't decide how much I'm on board with Jamie Garcia....any thoughts? Just realized Reddit has a fantasy baseball /r/, I expect I'll be here and glad to help you guys

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[–]m0neybags 3 points4 points ago

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You have to do hat trade are you kidding me.

[–]KTrout17[S] 0 points1 point ago

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done and done. Pujols and Miguel in the infield looks fantastic.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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If you want good advice, OP, post your team. Straight up value, I'd say do it. But I can't tell you if that would be best for your team without more info.

[–]KTrout17[S] 0 points1 point ago*

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Absolutely. 12 team h2h 6x6(hits/avg/runs/rbi/hrs/sb, k/wins/QS/saves/ERA/WHIP)

  • C Wieters
  • 1B MCabrera
  • 2B Zobrist
  • SS Theriot
  • 3B Figgins
  • IF Fielder
  • OF - Ichiro
  • OF BJ Upton
  • OF JUpton
  • OF Cruz
  • OF Abreu
  • Util Manny
  • BE Smoak, OHudson
  • SP Greinke, Price, Liriano, Sanchez, JGarcia, Chacin, Braden, Holland, Strasburg
  • RP Wagner, Simon, Contreras DL - Bedard, YEscobar

[–]TheGallopingGhost 1 point2 points ago

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It seems like I'd improve 3rd base before I worried about improving my utility infielder. Chone Figgins is putting up brutal numbers and it doesn't seem like there's any reason to believe he'll get better with the Mariners line up.

[–]KTrout17[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Sure, but Figgins isn't exactly tradable at the moment, and he's not THIS bad by any means, he had good numbers last year(better lineup maybe, but still, SIGNIFICANTLY better career numbers). I can sit tight, Cruz comes back tomorrow, and he hasnt even started for me, hit the DL the day I traded Halladay for him and Greinke, so that will boost me some there...but the topic of Pujols was interesting at the office today, and he's desperate(ish) for pitching...

[–]TheGallopingGhost 0 points1 point ago

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Right, I'm just thinking I want to hold on to extra pitching so that I can fix whatever is actually broken.

I think the Pujols thing makes your team better, but it's not that much better and it hurts your ability to fix problems later.

[–]KTrout17[S] 1 point2 points ago

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True, although I can always move Pujols for two strong pieces later if I need to. I can't move Figgins, since he's close to worthless at the moment, I don't know what I'd give up to upgrade 3b, personally I feel like I just need to wait for Figgins to pull it together for a stretch to either regain my confidence or make him tradeable, disagree?

[–]TheGallopingGhost 0 points1 point ago

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I think that's reasonable. After thinking about it, since you're doing a 2 for 1 trade, you can also pick a 3b off waivers right now. Depending on who's available, that's an instant upgrade at 3b.

[–]KTrout17[S] 1 point2 points ago

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BIG UPDATE. I just got it done and pushed through before rosters locked. Picked up Randy Wolf just to get the start for today, and I'll get a bat instead tomorrow most likely. I'm not as panicked on Figgins as everyone else seems to be, but Brennen Boesch and Troy Glaus seem to be the the best available. Glaus meets the need, Boesch is a much more interesting pickup though. We'll see how the Wolf does tonight.

[–]ThePensive 0 points1 point ago

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Hmm, this is good advice. Would you be able to...maybe trade Cabrera for Longoria + something afterward? 3B is definitely a weakness for you.

[–]KTrout17[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I don't think I can give up on Cabrera right now. If I targeted someone I think it would be Pablo...

[–]pascha 0 points1 point ago

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I would not do the deal. If you are dominating pitching, I would want to keep that up.

You've got Smoak and Figgins, who I think will come around. Fielder and Cruz will put up HR's.

Jaime Garcia is great. I'd ride him as long as you can.

[–]TheKyleBaxter 1 point2 points ago

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I'm just going to offer this. I do this trade (Garcia). Garcia's BABIP is .252, which is 50 points below league average (as far as I know this stat). He is getting a lot of Ground Balls, but not enough to sustain .252. You know exactly what Pujols is going to give you. Same with Fielder. You know that Pujie is going to give you a better numbers than Fielder in most categories. You've got to love having is production. Is the gap between Pujols and Fielder bigger than the gap between Garcia and the next best guy on Waivers? Who's out there?

I know some people who has looked to upgrade 3B. That's tough without a lot of good 3Bs out there. This is a tough decision. I think I pull the trigger on this. You might never find Garcia with more value than he has now. Can you find another deal to make wit him?

By the way, 12 teams!? You're team is STACKED dude! Great draft.

[–]KTrout17[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks man. Auction draft and I got a few steals, and made a couple nice trades. I think you're right, and Garcia definitely can't get higher than he is now. And I certainly trust Price and Liriano more to last, although any pitcher's a gamble...

[–]KTrout17[S] 0 points1 point ago

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And it looks more stacked than it is...Cabrera's been hot, but Fielder, Figgins, the Uptons have been fairly slow to start, and Cruz and Manny have been on the DL, I got Cruz the day before he hit the DL. Looks good going forward, but so far pitching has carried me.

[–]KTrout17[S] 0 points1 point ago

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*Thanks for the help and discussion guys. First time stopping by this Reddit, based on the amount of discussion I got here I'm surprised there isn't more chatter on the reddit itself, or am I missing something? I use FantasyBaseballCafe a lot, but if theres a good community here that's awesome, glad to jump in and help anyone anytime. Lets all hope this Pujols kid pans out! *

PS, Miggy and Pujols look AMAZING together. I highly recommend you guys try it.

[–]lhjmq 0 points1 point ago

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Dude do it! Pujols in a 12 team means a lot of your time you will in in batting categories. I personally don't trust Liriano and Fielder this year is playing like he has something to prove a.k.a trying too hard. I would keep Garcia over Liriano.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago*

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Do not listen to this advice, OP.

Liriano is not coming out of no where. He was a fantasy stud back in '06 before surgery, and has shown that he is back at that level now. Not just in MLB. He also dominated completely in the winter and spring ball leading up to this season. He is easily a top 20 fantasy SP, if not better. Garcia is good, but definitely not worth as much as Liriano.

[–]KTrout17[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah I understand how good Liriano can be, the foggy part is how good is Garcia? He's had 5 or 6 starts, and its 0's 1's and 2's for ER's down the list....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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You don't remember because he hasn't had any before this season, and you don't judge someone's potential on 6 career MLB starts. Don't get me wrong, Garcia's been hot as hell and has a bright future, but in a non-keeper league, Liriano is still the far better and more reliable choice.

[–]KTrout17[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Well it's not that I don't remember, it's that there's very little discussion on his scouting or outlook so far. The only info I've been able to find on the guy is that he's got Dave Duncan teaching him how to pitch for ground balls...We discussed the offer last night(for Garcia) and he had agreedm but he's sitting there hemming and hawing(no idea if that's how the phrase is written...) and he's said several times today 'Liriano and it's a deal.' and I've said no, and continue to try and upsell Garcia against the Reds tonight...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Garcia's minor league stats if you're interested =)

His control doesn't look like much of a fluke, although his currently incredibly low ERA is probably an outlier.

[–]lhjmq 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, I agree with you but you gotta look who has Liriano pitched against and his wins have come against Boston, Cleveland and Detroit. Only Detroit out of the three have any formidable offense this year. He got lit up against Baltimore in his last start.

Garcia has pitched against Milwaukee, Mets, San Fran, Atlanta and Philly. All these teams have good offenses and are potential .500 teams. He also pitches for Dave Duncan which is a huge advantage in itself. Just look at Brad Penny.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago*

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That's complete nonsense. You need to do some research before spouting off misinformation.

Going by runs score, Boston has the 5th best offense of any team, more so than any other that you listed except for Milwaukee. As for the Brewers, they are a very bipolar team. Either they win by 20 (which has definitely improved their offensive ranking, their record says otherwise), or they get shut out, so I do not think that is the best indicator. Trust me, I watch the Brewers, I know.

San Fransisco comes in 21st, just one run ahead of the White Sox (who Liriano had a QS against to start the year). The Mets come in at 17 and the Braves at 19. Those are average offenses, not great. The one team that you listed that tells anything substantial IMO is the Phillies, which is easily countered by the Red Sox. That's even assuming I buy your "who played the better teams" argument (which was weak in the first place, as I have shown). Baseball is a game of averages, and the first 6 games of a season do not indicate overall potential, so any narrow scope of comparison like that is inherently flawed. This is where Liriano's history comes into play, and his strong performance leading up to the MLB season. Garcia has no history, and if you want to look at Minor League ball, his numbers now are much better than anything he posted there.

Lastly, this season Liriano has posted a 39:14 K/BB ratio. Garcia's is 30:15, which is also good. ERA comes and goes with matchups, but a good K/BB ratio tends to be a more reliable indicator of control.

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