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[–]scotchdolphin 25 points26 points ago

love you too brother.

[–]Volopok 9 points10 points ago

love you too big brother

[–]MrOrdinary 38 points39 points ago

Television, the mind bending power of Television is working. Look at it, see it for what it is. A hate machine full of hate.

The so called current affairs and news shows push hate to the max. Making you hate fat people, drug takers, Christians, Atheists, Chinese, Australians, the other political party, petrol prices, food costs, Turbans, milk, etc etc. There is very little good news displayed. People don't want that... we the people, are told. If it's not making you hate something, it's trying to make you buy something and all the while laying it thick with lies and deceit. Monkey see, monkey do. TV makes it happen.

[–]Fupa_Penetrator 4 points5 points ago

couldnt have said it better myself! I live in a small town so you wouldnt thinks its as bad, but every day I read the paper looking for something good and its hard to find. there are articles about war, death, the shitty economy and so on. I wish we could have more peace, everything would run much more smoothly

[–]SonOfMan11 2 points3 points ago*

agreed. you are born, and you die, and in between it's television programming. people cannot even begin to comprehend the power of the corporate media brainwashing they experience on a DAILY BASIS when they have experienced it their whole life. kind of like how an abused child rationalizes his/her situation and often goes on to repeat it.

they key to tackling the problem, much like alcoholism, begins with recognition of the problem. in the case of the American, it is that the enemy is in charge of the distribution of information through corporate media networks and they do not play fair. so we recognize the problem? okay, now how do we proceed in combating it? proper awareness will never be promoted in the public school. and promotion of these "unorthodox ideas", unfortunately, is not tolerated by the "good parents"/customers of the private educational institutions who only want their children to grow up into successful slaves of the machine.

so what, may i ask, is the most effective method by which the children can glean the necessary information to actually fight the monsters that force us into funding their evil endeavors across the globe? family. nothing else is as naturally effective. not enough people possess the requisite level of curiosity that many of the internet readers of "conspiracy" websites such as this exist to effectuate change... and internet freedom is on its way out. family. don't forget it. never let the information be forgotten by the children.

[–]slimbruddah 5 points6 points ago

Man I haven't had cable for months. Last night I was watching a little NFL at my buddies, and it was fucked how blatant and obvious the conditioning and messages were.

I would have to say they are getting much more aggressive with the programming since last I saw in October.

[–]knowless 5 points6 points ago

every time i turn on the tv i'm astounded that the majority of people in this country find absolutely nothing wrong with what they are being told.

[–]fahad912 6 points7 points ago

I'm glad I am not the only one to find NFL programming complete and utter brainwashing.

[–]SonOfMan11 1 point2 points ago

nope. unfortunately, for every one of us that recognizes the game that is being run, there are at least 10 of them that think everything is alright and that we are paranoid or crazy for even suggesting that it is most certainly NOT alright.

[–]slimbruddah 0 points1 point ago

Oh dude, the worst. You got a explosive sport that's stop go, violent and exciting. Perfect to throw in massive amounts of commercials for conditioning.

[–]ikilledyourcatr/nolibswatch 2 points3 points ago

The only love they push is for money

[–]Cid420 7 points8 points ago

They don't call television "programming" for nothing.

[–]esthers 2 points3 points ago

You're right, there is a reason they call it that:

program (n.) 1630s, "public notice," from L.L. programma "proclamation, edict," from Gk. programma (gen. programmatos) "a written public notice," from stem of prographein "to write publicly," from pro- "forth" (see pro-) + graphein "to write" (see -graphy). General sense of "a definite plan or scheme" is recorded from 1837. Meaning "list of pieces at a concert, playbill" first recorded 1805 and retains the original sense. That of "objects or events suggested by music" is from 1854. Sense of "broadcasting presentation" is from 1923. Computer sense (n.,v.) is from 1945. Spelling programme, sometimes preferred in Britain, is from French and began to be used early 19c. The verb in the figurative sense of "to train to behave in a predetermined way" is from 1963. Related: Programmed; programming.

[–]EyesfurtherUpCourage is a kind of salvation. Plato 2 points3 points ago

the medium is the message

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

I copy/pasted this to FB with credit being given to you of course. The only response I got was, "Can you change the channel?"

Not very surprising.

[–]OrionH 53 points54 points ago

Caps lock is bad.

[–]my_name_is_harethey know 31 points32 points ago

I LOVE YOU

[–]dantre 16 points17 points ago

I LOVE CAPS LOCK

[–]EvilPigeon 16 points17 points ago

CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR LOVE.

[–]patriotaxe 2 points3 points ago

PEOPLE ROUND THE WORLD, JOIN HANDS,

[–]screamcheese 3 points4 points ago

I LOVE LAMP

[–]Gingerbread_Girl 9 points10 points ago

That sound awful hateful... Mr illuminatie.

[–]Wondering_Wandering 9 points10 points ago

Caps Lock is cruise control for cool

but you still have to steer.

[–]astrozombie222 2 points3 points ago

Caps lock is their tool to divide us.

[–]Cat-Hax 14 points15 points ago

But I don't love my self that much.

[–]somegirls 5 points6 points ago

That's the point. Self-loathing is one of the more narcissistic things pushed by our society.

[–]slimbruddah 5 points6 points ago

Negative. You need to love yourself and be content with what was given.

There is a difference between self love/appreciation and the ego.

Society reinforces the ego. If you are rich and beautiful your mind is conditioned to believe it is better then others.

[–]somegirls 1 point2 points ago

Oh, I get what Cat-Hax is saying, they love others more than themselves as a part of the selfless path. I assumed he/she was too depressed/selfishly negative and bitter, "I hate everyone, I hate myself." Most of the people I know my age are like that. Am I correct?

Good point raised about culture as well.

[–]slimbruddah 1 point2 points ago

I would say that yes. It's probably the first step towards unhappiness. If you don't like yourself, how are you gunna like anything else.

Only makes sense really.

So when the TV and media puts forth an unrealistic picture of perfection, and you want to be what you see on TV, you will never reach that perfection, creating a deep void in yourself.

[–]Ehsaun 12 points13 points ago

Why do you guys believe in the illuminati. Have you even researched the historical illuminati? It was an enlightenment group that had to be kept secret in fear of persecution from the church so the church deemed it heretical or satanic. something like that. Theres alot of good reliable information on r/conspiracy but then you get crazy conspiracies like this and it really hurts the credibility of the reddit.

[–]EyesfurtherUpCourage is a kind of salvation. Plato 6 points7 points ago

thank goodness someone else is saying it.

[–]polarbear_15 2 points3 points ago

I'm pretty sure most of this subreddit is a big parody.

[–]esthers 3 points4 points ago

It's not. There are LOTS of people into the illuminati conspiracy that haven't read a paragraph worth of the recorded history of the group. Children playing telephone.

[–]Ehsaun 1 point2 points ago

Great analogy

[–]drcross 20 points21 points ago

nice try, jesus christ.

[–]GrassGreen 3 points4 points ago

Disguised as Alex Jones?

[–]Pfmohr2 6 points7 points ago

ALEX JONES IS THE SECOND COMING AND HAARP IS THE ANTICHRIST WHY WON'T YOU OPEN YOUR EYES

[–]slimbruddah 9 points10 points ago

You got it wrong.

Fear is the opposite of Love. Not hate.

[–]Calibas 11 points12 points ago

Fear leads to hate...

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[–]somegirls 1 point2 points ago

You ain't kidding.

[–]NotANinja -1 points0 points ago

No, no, no... the dark side! Didn't you ever watch Return of the Jedi?

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[–]NotANinja 0 points1 point ago

:( Sadly, in this context, you have to clarify the word first. By episode count it is number 6, last of the original three.

[–]somegirls 0 points1 point ago

Episodes 1-3 aren't that bad, just different. I might be biased because of my young age though.

[–]NotANinja 0 points1 point ago

Biased or not I agree, they were more a disappointment for fans who had been hoping/waiting for years for them to be made than actually bad movies. Adding the midiclorian count BS took away from the mysticism/fantasy of 'the force' and poor casting for the part of Anakin made his decent to the dark side anticlimactic... things like that made them feel like they took away from the galaxy far far away rather than adding to it.

[–]somegirls 0 points1 point ago

I'm sure if you are a good soul you will be reincarnated into a future life where they are remade by a future avant-garde filmmaker (Will there be films still? =]).

[–]NotANinja 1 point2 points ago

LOL, that's the worst heaven/reincarnation prize for good karma I've ever heard.

And, will there still be film... depends, am I allowed to be reincarnated in the past? :P I'd imagine there will still be things like film, as physical recordings form a fail-safe redundancy for information(it's good to have a copy of information that can be read without a sophisticated device, film can be viewed with no more equipment than a light source so is a good backup), tho how widespread their use will be is another question.

[–]slimbruddah 0 points1 point ago

Exactly. You got it bro.

[–]bigflexy 1 point2 points ago

What's the opposite of hate?

[–]Soupstorm 3 points4 points ago

Sympathy.

[–]i-am-the-duck -3 points-2 points ago

The only fear I see is all the conspiritards afraid of this hypothetical elite.

[–]MatthewD88 0 points1 point ago

Why are you here?

[–]jctriana 0 points1 point ago

To troll you

[–]slimbruddah 0 points1 point ago

You don't know there's a small group of people was massive wealth which equates into power and control??

Shit son, you gotta get ur head out the dirt.

You think the richest most powerful of egypt and rome just misplaced all their wealth or, their whole blood line was cleaned off the planet?

The reality of our societies structure is extremely simple to see. There are symbols everywhere, proving the "stupidy" of the "peasents".

Best example is the one dollar bill. They put the answer directly in front of everyone's face, yet no one see's it. Proving they are truly the illuminated ones.

We live in their shadow. You need to seek the inner light to see the truth.

[–]fahad912 1 point2 points ago

What's the best example of the dollar bill?

[–]i-am-the-duck 0 points1 point ago

It has a pyramid on it which 'proves' that the world is ran by a secretive society who's main goals are to enslave the world.

[–]slimbruddah 0 points1 point ago

The back of it?

[–]scramtek 8 points9 points ago

This may be true. Problem is, for the most part, I'm not actually that keen on myself..

[–]i-am-the-duck 8 points9 points ago

But you're awesome bro, I promise you that.

[–]weazelus 2 points3 points ago

P.O.E

[–]PlacentaJuanXI° Illuminatus 6 points7 points ago

Purity of Essence?

[–]Exedous 3 points4 points ago

Its true. Prepare for the harvest.

[–]Wondering_Wandering 2 points3 points ago

I wouldn't say Illuminati. Maybe the bastardized version that they've become but the Illuminati's main goal is(was) worldwide awakening and illumination.

[–]Rachemagnet -1 points0 points ago

that is historically 100% wrong

[–]Calibas 0 points1 point ago

Wishaupt [sic] believes that to promote this perfection of the human character was the object of Jesus Christ. That his intention was simply to reinstate natural religion, & by diffusing the light of his morality, to teach us to govern ourselves. His precepts are the love of god & love of our neighbor. And by teaching innocence of conduct, he expected to place men in their natural state of liberty & equality. He says, no one ever laid a surer foundation for liberty than our grand master, Jesus of Nazareth. -Thomas Jefferson

What people mean nowadays when they say Illuminati is far different than what Adam Weishaupt originally created.

[–]Rachemagnet -1 points0 points ago

Not sure where you found this baloney, but it is almost too ridiculous to comment.

[–]Calibas 0 points1 point ago

Thomas Jefferson to Reverend James Madison, January 31, 1800

So what do you have to say about that?

[–]redawn 3 points4 points ago

sadly in america we are taught to hate our selves most of all.

[–]HonestCorporation 9 points10 points ago

People are too stupid to see that, they will divide themselves from others based on lines which when tallied up only make us different by a tiny fraction, lines of ethnicity, geography, financial status, etc. People fail to realize that we are all made of the same stuff, are part of the same family. Somehow our species finds its more reasonable to say we are different based on something that makes up less than 1% of who we are than to say we are the same based on the 99% of things that make us alike.

Edit: Unintentionally used the 99% and 1% monikers from OWS.

[–]MatthewD88 18 points19 points ago

Be the change you want to see. People aren't too stupid, they are ignorant, as in uneducated, to why we should love each other. Think of how much people are told to hate one another, and how much of "the other guy" is always the problem.

So lighten up, spread the message with love, rather than berating people. It's so easy to become jaded, we must work hard against that.

[–]supercedeIndividuated Unity > Undifferentiated Chaos 0 points1 point ago

Wonderful words. I'll provide the link later, but I watched a TED talk about the topic of conversing in love as opposed to argumentation and highly critical discussions (me vs you)

[–]MatthewD88 0 points1 point ago

That would be awesome to see, thanks!

[–]bcwalker 5 points6 points ago

There's a more sensible way to take this concept, and that's to remember that everyone is just like you: they eat, sleep, shit, fuck, dream, hurt and so on. Therefore there is no justification for either oligarchy (i.e. do not bow to Liz 2) or for shitting on the poor (you could be them rather easily), because you are them and they are you (regardless of what you or they believe; all blood is red). Sure, folks do fucking retarded shit- to themselves and to others. Deal with the shit, and then fix the fucked perceptions that lead to that stupid shit; if they turn out to be predators, deal with that. Once everything's sorted, move the fuck on and let it go.

That's how you do it in practical terms, folks.

[–]brandonwehby 6 points7 points ago

Love is the most important thing in the universe.

[–]Lobster_Man 2 points3 points ago

Jesus preached unconditional love for yourself and others

[–]Necronomiconomics 0 points1 point ago

Capitalism = love.

Guns = love.

Jesus was a socialist liberal who gave away free health care & didn't tell the poor "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" like a Loving Capitalist should. And he gave away free food.

Jesus said "If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword." Jesus was a dangerous dangerous anti-sword radical.

Jesus = Communist Marxist Maoist Socialist George Soros Bill Ayers Saul Alinsky Radical Hippie Illuminati Communist.

[–]MioraMy tin hat is broken 1 point2 points ago

Hmmm thats not a lot of love then

[–]Likes_Your_Name 2 points3 points ago

Anyone actually believe in the Illuminati....?

[–]archonemis 2 points3 points ago

Sort of of.

Illuminati symbolism / Luciferianism. Many of the self-appointed rulers use the symbolism in the megacorp logos. So it seems to follow that they believe in the power of their symbolism.

In this sense I think that the people who use this symbolism seem to believe in the symbols they're using. And since those symbols [light / fire / mind] are what we would call 'Illuminati' symbolism I'm willing to accept that the users of such symbolism believe in light [illumination] as a symbol. Does that mean there is such a thing as The Illuminati? Well, they seem to think so. So, maybe there is.

In either case I'm going to operate as though the symbolism they use is real to them.

Make sense?

[–]Likes_Your_Name 1 point2 points ago

I don't understand, your name perplexes me.

[–]archonemis 2 points3 points ago

"Arch" > Greek. Lord, master, arbiter, powerful typically in reference to social organizations [monarchy / arch bishop]

"onemis" > nonsense. It literally doesn't mean anything at all. It's not taken from any language that I know of so if it happens to mean something I'm not aware of it. It was a series of syllables that, when put together with 'arc', sounded like the kind of name one would give a transformer.

The meaning of my name: I used to type in 'MASTER' when I'd get high score in Tetris when I was a little kid. 'Archonemis' is a sort of tip-of-the-hat to nostalgia. Hurrah.

[–]Icecream_Wizard 0 points1 point ago

In reality, the "illuminati" are just scientists and mathematicians. There's no underhanded methods like subliminal messaging (which, besides being bunk, is actually counterproductive since conscious selection is much more powerful) just cooperative problem solving.

Popular concepts about the illuminati are to alchemy what the current state is to modern chemistry. The major work began just after the time of Newton, but the true modern form began in the early 1900's. At this time, a new enlightenment occurred as discoveries in science and mathematics synergized. Game theory is one especially important field, as well as other fields such as set theory that strongly relate. Game theory has long since been "won" as mathematically perfect models have been developed where everyone wins. Literally everyone, as in the entire human race.

[–]archonemis 0 points1 point ago

1.) Scientists and mathematicians? Some illuminati logos include Fidelity investment, Comcast, Chase and Morning Star. For some reason they do not push the ‘scientist’ or ‘mathematician’ button(s) in my head. 2.) No subliminal messages? You clearly haven’t spent much time on symbolism / semiotics. 3.) Popular concepts. In strictly academic terms, popularity in thought is meaningless. 4.) Newton was not an originator of these concepts. He was reading source material. 5.) The early 1900’s is not where the action is. You’re thinking in linear time. 6.) Game theory? That’s some pretty reptilian shit right there.

But whatever. Think what you like.

[–]Icecream_Wizard 1 point2 points ago

1.) I won't comment on specific symbolism and associations that use it, and in the end, it's quite unimportant. Economics and communications technology relies heavily on the mathematical sciences.

2) I have studied semiotics, which is essential to memetics. My credentials are irrelevant though, and I am not attempting to convince. The reasoning in brief (and crudely explained) is that nomatter how much you attempt to coerce or exert force other social evolution, it doesn't work. In quick time culture develops antibodies against such a viral memetic infection; it's an arms race one always loses. The only way is through true symbiosis, and the more complete and reciprocal the symbiotism is, the more effective.

One reason why this is so is that if a method for subverting others' wills is found, especially if mathematical in nature (such as in game theory models) it will escape into the wild in short order. The "antibodies" that the larger culture (essentially other individuals) develop will use the virus itself. The attempt backfires: more tools are released into the wild to combat such attempts.

  1. Popularity is everything because populations are everything; no population, no natural or memetic selection.

  2. Nobody is an originator of any concept, only a permutation. Every mathematician has worked by studying source material and going from there. In fact, you can see how we used the source material in the book "The Mathematical Papers of Isaac Newton vol 1" which I have studied a small bit. Of particular interest is his October 1666 tract on fluxions, around page 444.

  3. I'm not sure what "thinking in linear time" means :)

  4. How is game theory reptilian? It is merely a field of mathematics like any other. Is multiplication reptilian, or mammalian? It is a mathematical science used every day in economics and negotiation. Of course, the ultimate in game theory would be a sort of meta-game theory that derives the solution to all dilemmas where all or both sides are winners, or at the very least no losers.

[–]NotANinja 1 point2 points ago

Not per se, but I do like your user name.

[–]rocknameded 2 points3 points ago

And judging by some of these posts it would seem ridicule is one of their greatest weapons.

I think it's sad that if someone talks about anger and hate then people just shrug their shoulders. But, if someone talks about loving each other then they are laughed at and put down.

[–]Volopok 2 points3 points ago

What the fuck. IIRC the love banner has been used to make more submissive citizens. Example: Peaceful protests vs violent and actually effective activism or rebellion.

[–]Kirix 1 point2 points ago

DULY NOTED, SIR.

[–]Icecream_Wizard 2 points3 points ago

The whole idea of the Illuminati is a relic of a bygone era. There is no singular force guiding everything. There are however people working together. They are simply problem solvers; there are no "bad guys." The whole premise is that nobody needs to "lose," there is only winning for everyone.

Technology is a part of it (non-public technology is 40 years ahead of public technology) but more importantly it's about ideas. There aren't aliens involved, simply hard work and human ingenuity. Petty resource distribution issues and power games become irrelevant when the larger, more effective route is to simply expand resources in such ways to eliminate such issues entirely.

All the battles have already been fought and won. The biggest threat of nuclear weapons is now a non-issue; it has been ensured that no atomic device will ever be used in violence. All that is left is to ease society gradually (in relative terms; it's still extremely rapid in the wide view of history) into a better state. It has to be gradual because some of the issues that must be dealt with are ancient thought-errors resulting from our evolution, and the natural flaws in the way the human mind works.

The technological singularity is a matter of history; it occurred in the early 90's. The more difficult task of furthering a social analogue is the current problem to be solved.

[–]kaljaen 2 points3 points ago

And you know this how? Are you part of the Illuminati?

[–]what-s_in_a_usernameex-CIA agent -1 points0 points ago

I LIKE THE IDEA OF LOVE BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SCREAM!

[–]eleete 1 point2 points ago

Then Hate is their strength.

[–]boldtu 0 points1 point ago

Thanks for posting this. I think you are correct. However we cant really love if we are doing it to spite another entity. We all have love inside of us. We need to learn that it is ok to let it out. I have struggled with this myself, I am getting better.

[–]davidpbrown 1 point2 points ago

The Illuminati invented the caps lock..

[–]senfood 1 point2 points ago

What do you do if you both love and hate yourself?

[–]pork2001 1 point2 points ago

This Reddit phony is getting pretty tiring.

[–]Purpledrank 0 points1 point ago

I love lamp.

[–]ifeelstabby 0 points1 point ago

More profit and control in individualism.

[–]sacrimony 1 point2 points ago

people who think this way are slaughtered out of the gene pool by those who wield weapons.

[–]EyesfurtherUpCourage is a kind of salvation. Plato 2 points3 points ago

there is more to living than the material realm.

[–]knowless 2 points3 points ago

a statement most true to those who have nothing.

[–]EyesfurtherUpCourage is a kind of salvation. Plato 0 points1 point ago

Actually it's equal it's just that those who have are distracted by illusion.

[–]kyookumbah 1 point2 points ago*

It's not an illusion if everything they surround themselves with is real. And what qualifies as a distraction is a matter of opinion since we are free to attach significance to whatever we choose. But yes, "there is more to living than the material realm" still holds true across the board.

[–]go_voltron_go 0 points1 point ago

I LOVE LAMP.

[–]hanahou 0 points1 point ago

Oh I'm sure the Illuminate embrace love. It's just different than the Christlike Charity version.

[–]Geo_PyroI Want to Believe 1 point2 points ago

The time is near.

[–]slimbruddah 0 points1 point ago

I must say I have to agree. We are the last generation before the new world.

[–]Pazimov 1 point2 points ago

This is probably why people who preached love were taken out by the bullet. While some of the most loathed men still walk around freely.

[–]spoons2020 -1 points0 points ago

157 downvotes! this proves that about half the people aren't strong enough to love others, let alone themselves.

[–]DenjinJ 0 points1 point ago

Well... say you're wrong, or even deceiving us, but we take your advice anyway?

We'd live happier lives for it.

Besides, with what gets into the actual news, it's easy to feel like you're always under attack. Fear is excellent for manipulating public sentiment and making people ask what they should do next too. Take a break from it, love someone, and you see that even if the news is true, life isn't like TV. That's the world's despair, distilled into a block of information. It's far thinner in almost anyone's life, and mixed in with plenty of good things as well.

[–]Utterlydepressed 0 points1 point ago

I love you guys and I'm sorry I didn't see It any sooner :(

[–]markzeo 0 points1 point ago

Donating is Love

[–]nmcyall 0 points1 point ago

Lol, I don't think so. Fuck you, hippies, cling-ons, liberals, neo-cons, illuminati and wu world order types. No love!

[–]newdog33 0 points1 point ago

Fear is the tool and method of control. Love is the method of liberation.

[–]ManyWolvesNearby 1 point2 points ago

Phenethylamines anyone?

Love is definitely the answer to singular, individual spiritual growth and ultimate emancipation - where borders and cultural irrelevancies are of no importance.

Systems of control will always manifest themselves in the physical realm, but if one is able to maintain a sound appreciation of life through love, all corporeal borders are of no relevance.

Although it is tempting to thirst for a progressive, utopian society, I am beginning to realize that it is from within where I will witness the greatest revolution.

I have no religious beliefs, save my strong appreciation for myth, the art of story-telling and metaphor - all three expressed in the physical form, but also become something built by us from within.

Indigenous people across the world have still got it right philosophically - despite their systematic brutalization and ethnic cleansing by war and now policy - that we are of the earth and therefore responsible for maintaining a mutual balance of reverence and respect with this planet.

I strongly agree, with all the hoky bullshit aside, that since there is no way of representing "love" in a monetary system, there is no room for love through direct democratic representation under our current social organization. I am of the opinion, however, that under the present-day neoliberal global financial system we can best represent ourselves through the dollar bill by directing our movements with our spending. Peoples' movements have proven increasingly easy to form and gain momentum via the internet, and instead of protesting on the streets with picket signs, we should organize huge amounts of people to redirect their spending and even make runs on major banks that engage in fraudulent behavior.

If our representatives will not REPRESENT us, then we must represent ourselves in the most effective fashion under the present circumstances - REDIRECT OUR HARD-EARNED $$.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

we must represent ourselves in the most effective fashion under the present circumstances - REDIRECT OUR HARD-EARNED $$.

You have a well-written and well-intentioned post.

Not to rain on your parade, but even if we all stopped buying from "evil megacorporations" and doing business with culprit banks, the Fed will simply create+transfer money to keep them afloat.

I strongly encourage you to do business with moral companies, as it helps them. But that will not stop the well-connected immoral companies. This is a much deeper problem than simple consumer choice.

The Fed has the power to make money FROM NOTHING. And give it to whoever they want. They literally type in 1's and 0's into a machine and can make their pals trillionaires. Until this is stopped, your HARD EARNED $$ are a joke to them. "That guy actually had to EARN his paltry allowance! haha! sucker!"

[–]ManyWolvesNearby 0 points1 point ago

All I stated was that since we are not being represented, voting for this/that party doesn't really matter and we all live under a neoliberal economic arrangement, the only real real effective vote in America and the rest of the Western world is with our wallets.

But, alas, this solution always meets with hostility because too many people simply are unwilling to sacrifice the only "freedom of choice" they really have left - spending moolah.

I really get where you are coming from, but if you think that the government will all of a sudden start listening to the people and oust the banking and corporate lobbies, it ain't happening.

We have to start somewhere, and peaceful demonstrations (not civil disobedience) are not being heard, just extinguished.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

the only real real effective vote in America and the rest of the Western world is with our wallets.

The problem with your solution is that even with a huge majority of people voting correctly with their wallets, we are still being vastly overruled by a small minority of people who print the money. They too are voting with gigantic endless wallets.

I'm not saying give up and don't try. You should spend wisely. Just don't get sucked so deep into their game. Valuing THEIR money as if it were super-important is what props up the class system and keeps them on top.

[–]ManyWolvesNearby 0 points1 point ago*

Runs on banks have been proven very effective actually, and with the advent of the internet it is more within reach than ever.

You see, we (and businesses) have the most control over the small amount of hard capital that is deposited and represents the "fraction" of fractional reserve banking. Banks engage in investment risks that far exceed their fractional reserve amounts, but this risk they engage in is possible only if they follow regulations closely, which specifies across the board that some "hard" currency and collateral must be kept in banks' control. The truth is, mathematically, banks are on the precipice of bankruptcy during every single minute of their operation. It is only because this type of banking is accepted worldwide that they can hold on to the banking collective, and save themselves from falling down this precipice.

The key to what you are missing, and maybe I was not clear about, is that we hold the spending power, which plays out an important relationship with GDP, and in turn the ability of banks to lend out money, and essentially make money out of thin air. If we were to take one out of the mix, lets say consumer spending, and America is the engine that runs it all, then you take a guess at the outcome if we were to discontinue purchasing products that outsource jobs, or build military hardware. You see, the banks are so intertwined by owning debt, or loaning money, to corporations and people that if consumer spending were directed in the right way, a major bank could be targeted by the industries it invests in. It is a complex solution, but a HELL of a lot less bloody than an all-out revolution and dark ages!

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Also, take a look at this: armaggedonconspiracy.co.uk, they have some interesting points about this subject. I have to say I disagree highly with much of the site, but they have some good points you won't find elsewhere.

[–]RaiderSienna 0 points1 point ago

What if you don't love yourself?

[–]cokeandhoes -4 points-3 points ago

If the Illumaniti does exist, then I blame them for hyping love to such a holy status that people would go out and do down right stupid ass shit for it. It's great if you love someone, but hey it's a fucking chemical, and sometimes you should make decisions that benefit you.

[–]holzy444 6 points7 points ago

I agree with you, but I think OP is referring to a sort of mutual respect and compassion, as opposed to romantic love.

[–]Lobster_Man 3 points4 points ago

The Golden Rule: Do to others as you would like them to do for you

[–]nmcyall -1 points0 points ago

The devil shall quote scripture, haha op is a disinformation agent

[–]cokeandhoes 1 point2 points ago

Wake up people! Just take Disney: selling you love and compassion since day one!

[–]sun_dagger 1 point2 points ago

I'll take the love and compassion I have inside me, thanks.

[–]nmcyall 0 points1 point ago

Yea Ayn Rand was right about love in so many ways.

[–]kadmylos 0 points1 point ago

Life is chemical. If you're not striving to get all your chemicals in the balance you want, what the fuck are you even doing?

[–]losferwords 1 point2 points ago

SHUT UP, WANKER!

[–]nmcyall 0 points1 point ago

LOL yea, he is some wanker prolly on E rolls or something!

[–]NeverStopPosting 0 points1 point ago

Why don't you just call them for what they are instead of that illuminati smokescreen.

[–]holzy444 1 point2 points ago

Please elaborate.

[–]Rachemagnet 3 points4 points ago

that is one confusing site....wow. Jaw dropping cointelpro

[–]Pfmohr2 14 points15 points ago

I like it.

Its like someone approached a web designer and said, "Alright look man, I want a website that is vaguely reminiscent of a late-90's geocities site. Now, the key here is to make it as convoluted and difficult to read as possible; this will make sure only the truly dedicated will read the whole thing. I'm thinking a single massive wall of text, interrupted with some videos. Also, do you accept bits of string as payment?"

[–]rnrigfts 1 point2 points ago

Hahah fucking nailed it! Take all the upvotes.

[–]VanillaPuddingRender to Caesar the things that are Caesar's. 1 point2 points ago

What color is the string?

[–]Pfmohr2 1 point2 points ago

Sir, we can hear you perfectly well, there is no need to yell.

[–]AmericanGoyBlog 0 points1 point ago

"Definition: 'Love' is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope... Love is knowing your target, putting them in your targeting reticule, and together, achieving a singular purpose against statistically long odds."

[–]meinator 0 points1 point ago

What is love....

[–]renevilfortune 1 point2 points ago

Illuminati doesn't exist :/ just fatal ignorance to fully understand the real corruption that plagues humanity.

[–]GavriloPrincep 0 points1 point ago

What make you think that?

[–]esthers 1 point2 points ago

Brain make think.

[–]renevilfortune 0 points1 point ago*

enough research. No amount of research can make the dumbshit myth of the Illuminati to be real. You really need to do the right homework to understand world corruption. It's really as bad as people think it may be under a whatever Illuminati syndicate, but it's nothing like that, just that organized crime is all over the world, whether it's gov't colluding with outside groups or whatever. Think about the legalized structure of corruption that runs through the revolving doors of Washington. If the US has this type indirect corruption and an unimaginable scale, think think about the other nations (also developing ones, which are the worst).

[–]GavriloPrincep 0 points1 point ago*

Completely with you - as is everyone else - on what you say and rightfully complain about corruption. However (given that corruption exists)

[corruption exists] => [illuminati does not exist]

and

[corruption exists] => [illuminati exists]

are both false.

I had assumed that we, both myself and yourself - and general thinking - were already way past this. Something, presumably other than conceptual convenience, has convinced you that the "Illuminati doesn't exist". What convinced you or pretty-much convinced you?

Edit: Occam's razor? If so, which way does it cut in this situation.

[–]renevilfortune 0 points1 point ago

Actually, I been studying the CIA old boy network and big banks. Sure, Illuminati myth correlates with the Big Banks, but that's a system legality that is one of the most widely hit by corruption (central banks). As far as our American gov't corrupted, it's completely rigged to the core with corruption (local/state and federal level). This is just my great develop country.

the less developed countries are a whole lot more corrupt than our country.

If you ever decide to read something that relates to this actual corruption I suggest you pick up a book about "Inslaw Octopus: the findings of Danny Casolaro" and "the Creature from Jekkyl Island" to explain to you the evils of central banks. The big banks books is not entirely correct, but almost so.

[–]GavriloPrincep 1 point2 points ago

I would suggest "The anglo-american establishment" especially or, not really at all related "Tragedy and Hope"'s section about the functioning of the parliamentary system. Yes, the systems described are corrupt to the core, or rather, corrupt as the core - that is how they function. I have only read one history of the J.P. Morgan line and banking system and the Jekkyl Island stuff doesn't mean anything to me - if you are going to borrow, [if you are going to borrow] as a state or semi-state like company, you will borrow from A or B or... the Fed ... or X or Y or Z and they will all have their own special ideas about fucking you up the arse in their own special way: The Fed or Mr Z, screwed either way, they thought the Fed was a better idea, and went about making it happen as they are wont to do.

As it is the (non-existing) absence of corruption that would be the death of secret societies, almost by definition, I still cannot see your reasoning. That doesn't mean that you are wrong.

[–]brightboy -1 points0 points ago

Illuminati=Sith. We=Jedi.

[–]Billistic -1 points0 points ago

Yes yes, and Lucas has turned to the dark side....

[–]0w1Farm 0 points1 point ago

caps

[–]ToKeYMonsTeR -3 points-2 points ago

fag