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[–]scornflake 89 points90 points ago

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I used to work with 2 pharmacists, one catholic, one not. The catholic one would claim we "didn't have the drug in stock," the other dispensed it freely. The customers had a 50/50 chance, depending on the day.

[–]sleepyj910 131 points132 points ago

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so much for false witness

[–]tejmin 6 points7 points ago

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That would have been the first thing I'd have brought up (had I known she was catholic of course).

[–]insomniac84 87 points88 points ago

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It boggles my mind how this isn't medical malpractice.

[–]mrgreen4242 16 points17 points ago

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Indeed, it's one thing to refuse to dispense it but outright lying is a whole other ball game. One is incompetence, the other gross negligence.

[–]IConrad 38 points39 points ago

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No, it is not gross negligence; it is malfeasance.

[–]mrgreen4242 5 points6 points ago

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I think malfeasance only applies to public workers, though. I suppose you could argue that doctors are licensed by the state to perform a public service, which could extend that definition to them.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&defl=en&q=define:malfeasance&ei=zTCZS_OHL9CSlAf-v-j5DA&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAYQkAE

[–]IConrad 13 points14 points ago

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Malfeasance is failure to fulfill a fiduciary obligation.

I'll grant that it might not be the proper legal term -- but "gross negligence" just doesn't cut it, here. This is an explicitly fraudulent act, not mere accident.

[–]torchlit_Thompson 1 point2 points ago

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Like charging for a "consultation" when in truth you're refusing treatment?

[–]bjs3171 2 points3 points ago

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::sigh:: How about we just get Tony Soprano to beat the shit out of them and tell them to do their fucking jobs?

[–]insomniac84 5 points6 points ago

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I don't actually see a difference between the two. Not everyone can just on a whim go elsewhere to get the drug. This is a time sensitive drug. If the person doesn't get it in time because you refused on moral grounds, that is extreme malpractice.

[–]mrgreen4242 1 point2 points ago

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Well, the difference to me is that one is telling you why they won't do something, the other is lying to about why they CAN'T do something. At least with the former you can simply change providers (not helping you NOW, but can help in the future and can help others who you tell about the incident). With the latter, you will just assume they want to help you but are unable to through no fault of their own and so will continue to use their services, and also not likely warn anyone else off them.

That makes the latter worse, to me.

[–]insomniac84 2 points3 points ago

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At least with the former you can simply change providers (not helping you NOW, but can help in the future and can help others who you tell about the incident). With the latter, you will just assume they want to help you but are unable to through no fault of their own and so will continue to use their services, and also not likely warn anyone else off them.

Except the immediate effect and harm to the patient is the same in both situations.

The fact that you would come back because you didn't know he was lying is more fraud than malpractice.

[–]lazyliberal 240 points241 points ago

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Need a new OB/GYN

[–]bwbeer[S] 127 points128 points ago

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Yup. That's what we are doing today.

[–]liquidpele 134 points135 points ago

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Might I suggest you submit your experience to a few websites?

http://www.google.com/search?q=rate+doctor

[–]Devustator 58 points59 points ago

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Perhaps file a report to the AMA?

[–]Plumhawk 22 points23 points ago

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How will 'Ask Me Anything' help in this matter?

[–]Rossbenton 23 points24 points ago

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[–]ertaisi 5 points6 points ago

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You totally fell for it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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This should be getting more upvotes!

[–]andreacs 1 point2 points ago

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Unfortunately, I don't believe this would be considered illegal or unethical, from the AMA's perspective.

[–]johnnynono 4 points5 points ago

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Absolutely-the doctor's duty is to science and medicine, not personal beliefs. I believe this has been upheld in the courts...

[–]Prem314 1 point2 points ago

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At the same time, doctors don't have to do anything that is against their beliefs, i.e. abortions, contraceptives.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points ago

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Or /b/

[–]b7vmu 9 points10 points ago

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Plan /b/ huh?

[–]peanuttoast 80 points81 points ago

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Good call. A doctor that is ethically illiterate enough to not see the paradox of a medical professional imposing their personal beliefs on a patient = a danger.

Good luck to you and your wife (and any other additions to your family).

[–]bwbeer[S] 54 points55 points ago

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We have one so far, we just are not in a place where we could take care of another one. I love him to death but he is a handful by himself.

[–]enjia2000 50 points51 points ago

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Thank You for being responsible!

[–]wyfflemunky 23 points24 points ago

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Unfortunately, these are the type of intelligent and responsible people that should be having more kids just so we don't get overrun by the idiots who are breeding like rabbits. Sigh.

[–]7oby 10 points11 points ago

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Yes, that's the point behind Idiocracy.

[–]Workaphobia 11 points12 points ago

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Actually, it really, really is not. Saying that Idiocracy is about eugenics or the lack thereof, is like saying that 1984 is about pervasive surveillance. On the surface, you're right in a minor way, but it distracts from a much more important point.

Specifically, Idiocracy satires the devaluation of intelligence in our culture, the rise of extreme populism and consumerism, and the decline of our capability for rational, critical thought.

[–]brownbat 5 points6 points ago

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The whole segment about how much more dumb people breed than smart people, you just chalk that up to filler?

The movie is funny, but I don't blame anyone who feels like they just saw eugenics propaganda.

[–]Pizzadude 2 points3 points ago

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The colorfully animated explanation for those changes is exactly that, so I don't think you needed the second, italicized "really."

[–]torchlit_Thompson 0 points1 point ago

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Ditto.

[–]PuP5 22 points23 points ago

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personally, i'd take the yahoo to the medical review board and force them to explain how denying care to your wife is consistant with their hippocratic oath. because what this chump is saying now is "i am refusing to care for you in the way that you desire because i don't agree with your personal choices". what's to stop this from being taken to the next step of "you got aids from anal sex, so i refuse to help cure it"?

i think we should force all doctors to state this kind of behavior up front. because i have a feeling that if these "moral" doctors lost all their customers that didn't agree with them... that they'd be up shit creek financially.

[–]dreddd 1 point2 points ago

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what's to stop this from being taken to the next step of "you got aids from anal sex, so i refuse to help cure it"?

Wait -- you can get what from the what?

[–]ScannerBrightly 5 points6 points ago

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Might I suggest looking up the address for your doctor on Google, clicking on "More" and then "Write a review" in order to let others know this is going on there.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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And a letter explaining how her imaginary friend is ruining her practice.

[–]Waterrat 0 points1 point ago

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Good for you and send her a letter telling her why you will no longer use her services.

[–]DoublePlusMediocre 0 points1 point ago

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And make it clear to the old one why you will no longer br gracing him/her with your patronage.

[–]libertyordeath1 18 points19 points ago

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Should have said, "Fine, I guess it's plan C" and given the craziest look you could muster.

[–]alaithea 8 points9 points ago

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Or say "fine, we'll have to go back to plan A" and wink.

[–]ApokalypseCow 133 points134 points ago

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That's it, I'm going to become a doctor and start denying patients access to medication based on THEIR religious beliefs. Before prescribing any antibiotics or antivirals or vaccines, I will ask them if they believe in evolution. If they say no, I will then explain that they must not think they need the shot then, since it wouldn't be necessary if not for evolution. I will then proceed to deny them access to any and all medication of that sort, and make a note in their files that they are to be denied any such medication on the grounds that they don't believe it is necessary.

I shall also legally change my name. You may call me....

Natural Selector, PhD.

[–]NiceDay4ASulk 48 points49 points ago

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[–]Gglii 32 points33 points ago

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Interesting that this image is hosted on answersingenesis... maybe they don't understand it.

[–]JeffMo 27 points28 points ago

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It's well-documented that they don't understand it, and think they do.

[–]MelechRic 11 points12 points ago

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!!! Wow... they really don't understand it. The whole "loss of information" thing had me laughing.

What a bunch of "reh-tards."

[–]antidense 9 points10 points ago

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So all you have to do is generalize phenomena into abstract terms, e.g "information", and then argue using implications of said terms that do not apply to the original situation.

[–]JeffMo 4 points5 points ago

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Right. They are also arguing circularly.

Such mutations, which are mistakes in the genes, result from a loss of information [...]

They have assumed that all mutations constitute information loss. That assumption is rather central to how they hope to be able to view mutation events, because if any mutation event was ever beneficial to an organism under prevailing environmental conditions*, their whole "analysis" breaks down.

*NOTE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation (look under Beneficial Mutations).

[–]MDPhotog 6 points7 points ago

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That blows my mind. How this could be taken in favor of creationism really requires some serious denial/stubbornness.

[–]alpharaptor1 3 points4 points ago

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it's a sad thing when someone values their faith more than intellectual honesty.

[–]Workaphobia 1 point2 points ago

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For a good example of that, see the Richard Dawkins versus Wendy Wright videos on youtube. There are a number of points at which Wright argues (effectively and implicitly) that the ends justify the means. In particular, she argues that a world based on creationism would be a better world, which is quite irrelevant to the matter of what is true and what is false - unless one intends to mislead people.

[–]Supergravity 5 points6 points ago

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This doesn't shock me at all. If they were good at thinking, they wouldn't be creationists.

[–]Workaphobia 2 points3 points ago

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Wow. Thank you very much for that enlightening yet depressing link.

I feel like I want to drive to the house of everyone who obsesses over information in the context of evolution, and just shove a TV full of static (entropy) in their face.

[–]JeffMo 2 points3 points ago

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I feel like that sometimes, too. My career is in software development, and I've written some simple genetic algorithms. When you've watched even very simple systems improve their performance using little more than a pseudorandom generator feeding mutation and selection algorithms, it becomes even more obvious just how painfully wrong some people are in their thinking about evolution.

[–]skeeterou 1 point2 points ago

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[–]blueboybob 9 points10 points ago

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I wonder how much trouble you would get in. Proving medical boards are hypocrites.

[–]insomniac84 19 points20 points ago

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He'd lose his license really fast. But the guy forcing women to have children gets a pat on the back.

[–]generic_login 6 points7 points ago

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the latest (maybe not latest) anti-evolution argument is that "natural selection happens, evolution does not." I argued for an hour with a christian who was proselytizing on the streets, who said that small changes occur within species (ie different types of dogs, etc.) but "new genetic information cannot be made." I don't even know how to respond to that argument, it just makes me angry.

[–]ApokalypseCow 11 points12 points ago

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Explain that new genetic information can and has been made - for example, in the natural evolution of nylon-eating bacteria. The two mutations needed to allow standard flavobacteria to digest nylon was first a gene duplication event (more genetic material) followed by a frame shift event (changes the meaning of that collective material, thus, new genetic information).

[–]bwbeer[S] 10 points11 points ago

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It doesn't matter what kind of evidence you have, they will dis-believe it.

[–]deusnefum 8 points9 points ago

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No kidding, I've been told to "quit making up words," before.

[–]bwbeer[S] 2 points3 points ago

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To be fair, flavobacteria are tasty!

[–]idontwanttortfm 1 point2 points ago

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Make sure you remove the large clocks they have on chains around their necks before eating!

[–]IConrad 6 points7 points ago

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"natural selection happens, evolution does not."

No, it is that microevolution happens, where microevolution is defined as adaptive changes within a "kind".

You can breed a better horse, a better tiger, a better disease -- but you can't breed a donkey into a whale shark.

Google "Baraminology" -- but for the love of Reason; do it someplace you can get your rage on safely.

[–]neonnoodle 3 points4 points ago

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You picked a bad example, considering the fact that whales are descended from artiodactyls.

[–]IConrad 11 points12 points ago

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I in fact did that on porpoise. However, whale sharks aren't mammals but fish -- the largest known species of fish, in fact.

[–]sleet01 2 points3 points ago

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YouConrad are my new hero.

[–]bwbeer[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Does it explain my pet Crock-o-duck?

[–]IConrad 3 points4 points ago

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No, but the fact that you use spoiled rye as chewing gum does. :-P

[–]ryanknapper 0 points1 point ago

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What a futile thing to do.

[–]ryanknapper 6 points7 points ago

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"Here's a prescription for prayer and a recommendation that you stop doing whatever is upsetting Jesus."

[–]ApokalypseCow 2 points3 points ago

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Also, leeches.

[–]Kni7es 1 point2 points ago

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Here's some prescription communion wafers as well. Take them in the morning once a week on Sunday.

[–]Kni7es 73 points74 points ago

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"Hey can I have some viagra?"

"Sure, here you go, stud."

"Can I have birth control?"

"Get lost, slut."

(apologies for not remembering the exact source)

[–]bwbeer[S] 20 points21 points ago

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So true. He prescribes birth control though.

[–]IConrad 42 points43 points ago

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Then consider this a lesson that your previous OB/GYN was a flaming moron. Plan-B is nothing but a high dose of the same hormones in birth control. It prevents pregnancy; it does not induce miscarriage nor is it an abortificant.

Claiming "religious grounds" on this is simply your OB/GYN's way of saying, "Hi. I'm stupid enough to leave a bag of flaming poo on my own porch and forget I'd done it."

[–]istara 8 points9 points ago

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Religious people (some of them) believe that stopping implantation is "murder".

I do think this woman should file official complaints and expose the doctor as much as possible.

[–]friendlyfire 6 points7 points ago

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Yeah, but birth control = stopping implantation.

So is plan B.

i.e. if he's against plan B he should be against birth control.

[–]IConrad 7 points8 points ago

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And there are plenty of people who want birth control to be listed as an abortificant.

[–]infinite 2 points3 points ago

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[–]istara 0 points1 point ago

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I'm not sure that's correct with every method of birth control. So far as I understand it, the birth control pill is supposed to stop ovulation. So there is no actual sperm-meets-egg conception situation.

See here

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Same with Plan B.

[–]danoo 1 point2 points ago

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Was waiting for someone to bring this up, clearly this guy is a moron/incompetent.

[–]howdareyou 11 points12 points ago

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There are other medications that prevent implantation (some arthritis medications, and others) but no one has a problem with those.

Around 10 years ago my girlfriend and I broke a condom. We immediately went to the pharmacy and asked for Plan B. The pharmacist had a few questions for us and told my girlfriend how to properly take the emergency contraceptive.

I love living in Canada.

[–]psychgrad 2 points3 points ago

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Hmm, kinda ironic. I wonder if he would be OK prescribing an extra month's pack and your wife just take several tablets at a time. That is basically all Plan B is.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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This is called the Yupze regimen - completely legal and approved by the FDA.

Know this link: http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/dose.html

It gives the appropriate dose for common brands of HBC to be used as emergency contraception.

[–]delavitacharita 2 points3 points ago

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American here lucky to get a pharmacist that doesn't impose their beliefs on my body. The only time I did feel a little "slutty" getting plan B was when my partner and I broke a condom, and as I was paying for my prescription the woman behind the counter was my partner's housemate. She proceeded to talk with me at length and ask when I was coming over again as she was scanning my meds. A bit embarrassing.

[–]ENRICOs 53 points54 points ago

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You can complain to your state board, however, that might accomplish nothing. At least a complaint will be registered.

The recent development of health care professionals refusing medications or treatment based on religious grounds can not end well for all concerned.

Health care professionals, from nurses on up are taught to put your personal feelings aside and to render proper care to the patient.

You should at least file a complaint as a matter of principle.

[–]oregono 41 points42 points ago

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Absolutely. You must file it with the board. Theology is NOT medicine.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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I recently wrote a report about this. The jury is still out on whether pharmacists are allowed to do this (and I would imagine doctors are held to an even higher standard), but you should definitely file a complaint. At the least, if he's later fired for this and tries to sue there will be a record of his behavior affecting patients.

[–]orcusabre 1 point2 points ago

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Health care professionals, from nurses on up are taught to put your personal feelings aside and to render proper care to the patient.

Yes but for some reason if they can not put their feelings aside, they are allowed to refuse treatment to anyone they wish and tell them to find a another physician. Personally I'd prefer to find a different doctor rather than force a religious nut into treating me.

[–]ENRICOs 1 point2 points ago

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The issue with doctors refusing certain types of care is understandable up to a point, however, they should make that known to their patients. Conversely, any informed patient should interview their prospective doctor. Questions regarding certain procedures can be asked and answered upfront.

As for hospitals; the average person should already know that you don't ask for an abortion or birth control in a Catholic hospital, or certain other religious run facilities.

Nurses or allied health care professional refusing treatment because of their personal belief system shouldn't be tolerated, and is in fact disingenuous.

Every health care facility has a job description listing exactly what it entails. As all licensed health care professionals are repeatedly taught, health care involves situations where one is confronted with unpleasant sights, smells and procedures. If you can't accept that you shouldn't work in the field of health care.

You are also taught to compartmentalize your personal feelings and beliefs in order to treat each patient with respect.

I don't where this got turned around to the point of a health care professionals refusing care or ordered medication, but I do know this can't go on.

I imagine we shall soon get to a point where doctors will list what they will and won't do on their websites. Till then every patient must do their due diligence in order to receive competent care.

[–]greencourt 9 points10 points ago

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Planned Parenthood is a great resource too.

[–]bwbeer[S] 3 points4 points ago

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Thank you for bringing up Planned Parenthood. They are a wonderful organization and I can not say enough good about them.

[–]Mnementh2230 27 points28 points ago

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Review the doctor on angieslist

[–]cbelt123 6 points7 points ago

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Maybe doctors and pharmacists who refuse to perform part of their job for moral reasons should have a special designation in their title so they can be recognized by patients and customers. Like OB-/GYN RL for "religious limitation" or Pharmacist-SRP for "self-righteous prick" or something.

[–]bwbeer[S] 4 points5 points ago

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I use the term witchdoctor. So OB-GYN WD?

[–]xmod2 10 points11 points ago

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I wonder if, as a misanthrope, I became a doctor and just refused to treat ANY patients if I'd get the same pass as this nutter.

[–]skoglund 26 points27 points ago

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My religion believes that bacteria and viruses have a right to the cells they're invading in your body. Why do your indigenous organelles get exclusive rights to that cytoplasm?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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BECAUSE JESUS SAID SO.

[–]vinceums 7 points8 points ago

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"Blessed are the indigenous organelles, for they shall inherit that cytoplasm".

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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"Blessed are the mitochondria, for I shall call you midi-chlorians on my 7th grade biology test."

[–]rasteri 4 points5 points ago

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One of these days I'm going to get a job in a Christian printing press, convert to Islam, and refuse to do any work.

Then when they fire me I'll sue for religious discrimination.

[–]Symbolism 16 points17 points ago

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If you want these doctors to stop behaving like assholes, here's what I suggest you do.

1) Contact the hospital/medical office administrator. Let them know of your experience, and how you feel about it.

2) Contact your insurance company (US Primarily) and let them know of that this doctor doesn't like to do their job, due to religious reasons.

3) Write an Anonymous Editorial about that Doctor, stating name, office and profession, and describe your experience. Mention the terms "Extreme Discrimination", and their lack of respect for their medical oath.

[–]andreacs 1 point2 points ago

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2 will probably be the most effective. If and insurance company gets enough complaints about a physician, they will drop them from their provider list.

[–]flashgasoline 13 points14 points ago

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I'm currently in pharmacy school so we discuss conscience laws from time to time. I doubt there are many people around here who would sympathize with refusing to dispense Plan B, including me.

However, let's look at the other side of the coin because it boils down to more than just one issue. Pharmacists are responsible for compounding and filling lethal injections when someone is to be put to death. Would you, as a pharmacist, fill a prescription to comply with death penalty laws? What if you thought there was a significant chance the person could actually be innocent?

Keep in mind, I understand this hypothetical is totally different than Plan B, but often times the laws they make are broad and cover all prescriptions.

[–]bwbeer[S] 8 points9 points ago

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I agree, the law is a cudgel. I'm not pursuing this, I just think this is bullshit in a "modern" country.

I'll like to take this opportunity to call the doctor a Fuck-Twat.

[–]david76 5 points6 points ago

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I would definitely recommend contacting the state board to file a complaint. It's not a doctor's place to make moral judgements.

[–]masgrada 14 points15 points ago

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In all seriousness... aren't you the 'fuck-twat' after all? I mean, that's what got us into this mess.

[–]bwbeer[S] 14 points15 points ago

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You make a valid point.

[–]vtron 1 point2 points ago

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Did you call the doctor a Fuck-Twat to his face. Because you had the perfect opportunity to do that when he denied the script.

[–]bwbeer[S] 5 points6 points ago

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No, my wife talked to the secretary. She called him "irresponsible".

[–]insomniac84 1 point2 points ago

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Put that in your complaint to the state and all reviews online.

[–]bwbeer[S] 3 points4 points ago

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To be clear: My wife told the secretary the doctor was "irresponsible".

[–]insomniac84 2 points3 points ago

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Either way, please file a complaint and send copies to state representatives.

[–]Doomdoomkittydoom 1 point2 points ago

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I'm curious if such a hypothetical would work as well if you switch "leathal injection" with "insulin" or some such.

[–]pstryder 1 point2 points ago

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Would you, as a pharmacist, fill a prescription to comply with death penalty laws? What if you thought there was a significant chance the person could actually be innocent?

Yes, I would. I'll go even further and say that I would gladly fill lethal injection scripts for patients who wanted to end their own life, so long as it was a valid, legal script.

[–]insomniac84 4 points5 points ago* 

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Would you, as a pharmacist, fill a prescription to comply with death penalty laws? What if you thought there was a significant chance the person could actually be innocent?

The second you refuse to dispense a legal medication for non medical reason(medical reasons being drug interactions or others), you should have your license revoked on the spot. I would add that if you have a medical reason, you need to call the doctor to find out if your concerns are real or not. If they are not you prescribe the medication. The only time you could choose not to prescribe it is if you think the doctor is wrong. I would assume there would be a procedure for it.

[–]flashgasoline 5 points6 points ago

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I disagree. There are plenty of conceivable situations where dispensing a particular medication can cause significant risk to a patient's health, whether it be from drug interaction or contraindication. No one understands the risk better than the pharmacist, and ultimately the patient's safety is his responsibility.

Now, the majority of the time these are mistakes that are looked into and then changed. Occasionally, however, there are physicians who refuse to change the prescription and don't even inform patients of the risks.

Don't get me wrong. I completely sympathize with a patient's right to have a drug when he has a legal prescription. Sometimes, though, it is clearly not in his best interest if death is the likely effect.

Edit:Also, I think there is a clear distinction between normal patients trying to fill prescriptions and the state forcing you to help kill someone via lethal injection.

[–]insomniac84 1 point2 points ago

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I find it sad your argument to protect morality is that pharmacists need to check drug interaction.

No one is debating that they need to check for interactions. This of course would still be done. I didn't realize so many people did not have common sense. I am talking about refusing to dispense a medication for a non medical reason.

Also, I think there is a clear distinction between normal patients trying to fill prescriptions and the state forcing you to help kill someone via lethal injection.

Nope. the state is forcing you to do nothing. They are telling you to hand them the legal medication they need and have a legal right to. If you cannot do your lawful duties as a pharmacist, you have no business being a pharmacist.

[–]bryanKU 1 point2 points ago

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The second you refuse to dispense a legal medication, you should have your license revoked on the spot.

While I understand the point you were trying to make, this would have negative consequences for doctors that refuse to dispense a legal yet controlled substance to drug seekers and the like.

[–]insomniac84 5 points6 points ago

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I fail to see how. You can deny someone a drug on the basis of addiction. But you cannot do it for moral reasons.

As a doctor are you willing to lie and claim you denied plan B for addictive reasons?

Also pharmacists definitely should fill all valid prescriptions. If they see something that looks like a crime, they can call the cops.

[–]decode 1 point2 points ago

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You can deny someone a drug on the basis of addiction. But you cannot do it for moral reasons.

Because calling addiction bad is not a moral judgment at all.

Also pharmacists definitely should fill all valid prescriptions.

Pharmacists (in the US) are not just technicians who put pills in a jar. They are highly trained in the effects of medications and their knowledge and judgment about the appropriateness of a medication is an important part of the medical system. As an example, doctors often prescribe medications, not knowing what else the patient is taking, and pharmacists are the last line of defense in watching out for interactions between drugs.

[–]JCY2K 2 points3 points ago

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I think there is a meaningful difference between calling an addict bad and not prescribing House more Vicodin.

How about pharmacists should fill all valid prescriptions unless doing so would cause a harmful drug interaction?

[–]pstryder 2 points3 points ago

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Pharmacists (in the US) are not just technicians who put pills in a jar. They are highly trained in the effects of medications and their knowledge and judgment about the appropriateness of a medication is an important part of the medical system.

I'd like to know where you live, and where you get your pills from. The pharmacists I have interacted with are usually one of three things:

1: Failed to get into med school, so went into pharmacy. When you ask questions about the script, they give you a blank look and say, "Um, I don't know, let me check the brochure."

2: Trade-school grad types, or got a cert from a mill. These are literally just technicians who put pills in a jar.

3: The Head pharmacist. This is the only person I have ever come across who is as knowledgeable as you claim.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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Report the doctor to the American Medical Association.

[–]queenmaeve 10 points11 points ago

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Can you report him to the state medical board?

[–]bwbeer[S] 6 points7 points ago

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My understanding is that a doctor has full discretion when it comes to writing scripts, within limits. She wasn't dying or in horrible pain and it was still available over the counter so he wasn't denying it. I don't have the time and money to fight this. Hell, $35 seems like a lot today.

[–]oregono 24 points25 points ago

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You have a responsibility to document this properly. Do not let her water down your community's healthcare. She's denying it to EVERYONE and winning, if you dont stand up.

[–]bwbeer[S] 10 points11 points ago

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Actually, it's my wife's responsibility. She has declined to file anything and I can't force her. Or I would be the same as the doctor.

[–]oregono 19 points20 points ago

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You know who the doctor is and what they're doing. You should take steps so that other people who are researching doctors can be warned that this one puts theology above medicine.

That's your responsibility to the community. please be a good citizen.

[–]bwbeer[S] 14 points15 points ago

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That is true. I'll see to it.

[–]oregono 12 points13 points ago

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thanks, you rock!

[–]insomniac84 4 points5 points ago

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No, you can still file a complaint and send a copy to your congressmen. If complaints need names, maybe she feels safer using your name than hers.

Either way, please file it and email copies to your representatives.

Otherwise post the doctors info with details of what exactly happened on here and we can file it for you.

[–]linzer-torte 5 points6 points ago

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Complain anyway. It just takes a few minutes.

[–]insomniac84 1 point2 points ago

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No, don't fight it. Just complain. The complaint will be on file. That is much much more than nothing and does pretty much all the fighting you can do without trying to sue him for damages.

I would also send a copy of the complaint to your senators and state/local congressmen.

[–]chilehead 7 points8 points ago

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New question to ask all potetial medical caregivers: "Are there any procedures you will refuse to perform, or any medications you will refuse to prescribe on account of your religious convictions; and if so, what are they?" If they answer yes to the first part: "I guess we're done here, I need someone qualified to do the job, not someone who will deny me care based on irrational beliefs."

[–]titaniumjackal 2 points3 points ago

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In my fantasy world, your wife becomes pregnant and you guys have a child, and after a short lawsuit, your OB/GYN is forced to pay medical fees, child support, and college fees for the life they are responsible for.

If they get to make the choice, you get to pay for the results. =)

[–]bwbeer[S] 4 points5 points ago

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During my 10-minute hate after her phone conversation, I brought that up. I added a few flourish words, though.

[–]ryanknapper 4 points5 points ago

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What if I became a pharmacist but I refused to dispense any medication because it's against my religion? I couldn't be fired because of discrimination, but I'd never have any orders to fill.

Imagine how much more time I could spend on reddit!

[–]psychgrad 6 points7 points ago

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Just so people are 100% clear Plan B is not an "abortion pill" like RU-485/Mifepristone.

I fail to see how the doctor does not provide Plan B if he also prescribes the birth control pill (stated in another post from OP).

If you are going to stand on moral principle, at least be consistent.

[–]intrepid_pineapple 9 points10 points ago

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If he thinks Plan B and the birth control pill are different, it's amazing that he managed to become a doctor at all.

[–]Taelon 1 point2 points ago

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Thank you for posting that. Too many people have been led to believe that Plan B is an"abortion pill".

[–]digitalboy 2 points3 points ago

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Take a stand. Get her fired!

[–]Panosl 2 points3 points ago

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The entire thing is obscene.

What next. Do doctors have a right not to give you life saving antibiotics because their religious beliefs says you can just pray and ask God to heal you?

[–]bwbeer[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Check out he Republican additions to the health care debate. You "shan't" be disappointed.

[–]rachelle-under-seas 2 points3 points ago

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i was denied an IUD from an old Irish doctor who was presumabley Catholic, because I wasn't married and hadn't had children.

[–]Charlie24601 2 points3 points ago

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Refuse to pay your bill...on religious grounds.

[–]spikelike 2 points3 points ago

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If you are in DFW, I can suggest my OB to you. I imagine I'd rage oh so hard if any healthcare professional tried to shove religion into my wounds :(

[–]BlankVerse 2 points3 points ago

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1) What are the laws in your state on Plan-B and religious objections for medical providers?

2) What are the rules for your health insurance provider?

[–]bjs3171 6 points7 points ago

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Today you sued your wife's former OB/GYN for malpractice and neglect.

[–]kraln 1 point2 points ago

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And today: Find new OB/GYN

[–]fuckinhell 1 point2 points ago

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That is when your wife finds a new OB-/GYN and makes it very clear why she is finding a new one.

[–]RebeccaSays 1 point2 points ago

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Isn't that illegal?

[–]Taelon 2 points3 points ago

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It should be.

[–]repsuc 1 point2 points ago

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leave the south/midwest and come join us on the coasts.

[–]bwbeer[S] 3 points4 points ago

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I so wish I could. I would love to move to Seattle, but we have all of our family here. I could also say I am fighting the good fight here, but I'm really not. Busy with life I suppose.

[–]Nougat 1 point2 points ago

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I'm not sure whether you have kids yet or not, but let me relate this:

When my son was three, as part of one of his regular checkups, he got a TB test, where they mark your arm with something, and then you come back in a few days to see what it looks like.

A younger pediatrician looked at it, said, "Eh, it's borderline, but I'm sure it's fine. I just have to have another doctor look at it."

The other doctor, an old guy (who happens to have been both mine and my wife's pediatrician when were were kids), looks at it and says "Oh, he has to go get a chest x-ray."

Now my wife is panicking because she thinks our son has tuberculosis. I spend many hours online trying to figure out what the hell is going on. She has to take him and our infant daughter to the county health center to get x-rays.

The doctor at the health center is going through this long questionnaire: Intravenous drug use? Travel outside the country? Shit like that. We're just a regular suburban family. The guy says, "I have no reason why you were sent here, there's no way he has TB. But I have to take the x-rays."

So my young son has to go by himself to get the x-rays. I wasn't there, but I have to assume he was strapped down, because he was screaming his head off. No way they would have gotten an x-ray unless they strapped him down. Alone. In a strange machine. At three years old. For no reason.

I finally discover that the threshold diameter for the TB test had recently - like six months prior - been reduced from 15mm to 10mm. And the diameter of the welt on my son's arm? 10mm. Had he had the test six months earlier, no one would have batted an eye.

Of course, he didn't have TB. But we had to go through a week of anxiety and suffering all because of what ended up being a bureaucratic decision.

That was the last straw in a series of marginal misdirections we got from doctors, which caused unnecessary stress. Now, if a doctor tells me something that doesn't really seem to make any sense, I don't just defer to the doctor. I'll voice my disagreement.

[–]bwbeer[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Sounds familiar. Read it and rage.

[–]kry1212 1 point2 points ago

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time for a new OB/Gyn. i'd actually ask when making the appointment if they do shit like this. seriously.

[–]shatterly 1 point2 points ago

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Two years ago, the OB/GYN whom I had been with for several years told me that he was taking a stand according to his morals and no longer prescribing birth control pills. He still wanted to be my doctor, but if I wanted to stay on the Pill, I would need someone else in the practice to prescribe them for me. Right, because I want a doctor who is treating me to make moral judgments about the prescribed medication I'm taking.

Also, he told me all this right after my exam, while I was still sitting on the table wearing my lovely paper dress. I was so shocked, I couldn't think of anything to say. I never went back.

[–]TheUsher 1 point2 points ago

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I guess you meant to say, "My wife's former OB"? Any medical doctor that suggest prayers, or does things on religious grounds would not touch me or my family. I don't mind if they believe in Jesus, Buddha, Mohamed, or Rael or Bo and Peep, just don't push your views on a medical situation.

[–]BevansDesign 1 point2 points ago

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Here's a crazy conspiracy theory for you:

I was just wondering if maybe Catholics (and other anti-choice types) are more likely to become pharmacists (either by their choice or by the urging of the church) simply because they can prevent people from getting certain drugs.

I know it's a stretch, but it'd be interesting to check the data, if anyone has access to such data.

[–]SGeniusNinja 1 point2 points ago

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Why wasn't this titled: "Yesterday my wife's former OB-/GYN refused to give a prescription for Plan-B...On religious grounds. "

[–]ZuchinniOne 1 point2 points ago

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I guess you should decide not to pay the doctor's bill on incompetence grounds.

[–]miparasito 1 point2 points ago

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I'm really sorry, that sucks.

My mom's OB refused to perform her tubal at the last minute because he found out that she was Catholic (it was on her chart). He was Catholic too, so couldn't cause another Catholic to achieve permanent birth control. The part I don't get is that he then called another doctor to come do the surgery. So wait, YOU can't do the surgery but you can get someone else to do it? So that other person will go to hell? God is so weird!

[–]idwolf 1 point2 points ago

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I can haz Hippocratic Oath?

[–]misterQ 1 point2 points ago

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Report your wife's OB-/GYN to the local medical board. File a formal complaint.

[–]torchlit_Thompson 1 point2 points ago

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Good thing you found that out. Would you really want the caretaker of your wife's vajayjay acting on faith? Doctors need to be put in their place. They are not gods, just guides and facilitators. Our bodies are our bodies, period, end of discussion.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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$35 is a lot cheaper than raising a kid. Just sayin'.

The OB/GYN is a cunt though.

[–]mkjones 0 points1 point ago

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Hey this sounds like:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/8557816.stm

"A woman has been refused the contraceptive pill because it was against the religious beliefs of a pharmacist."

[–]foolman89 0 points1 point ago

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Sue.

[–]theunicorn 0 points1 point ago

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That is most certainly absurd. Your wife definately needs a new doctor...

[–]fancycat 0 points1 point ago

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Good thing you only need a prescription for Plan B if the girl is under 18. Your doc's religious grounds could've stuck you with an unwanted pregnancy. Very nice of them.

http://www.walgreens.com/marketing/library/ask/aap/birthcontrol/birthcontrol_planbprescription.html

[–]Symbolism 0 points1 point ago

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Also, just go to planned parenthood for stuff like that.

[–]zmcintyre 0 points1 point ago

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His/Her license should be revoked for denying care.....wait this is in perfect harmony with how health care is being handled.

Sorry to hear you had a confrontation with the religious state.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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This Hindu at McDonalds refused to serve me a burger the other day on religious grounds.

On a non-sarcastic but fully related note: A much worse medical/vagina/religous horror story

[–]antidense 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah, just know that there are many who still do their job, despite their religious convictions and as much as it pains them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I would file with whatever medical board in your state is. Nice to fuck with a persons reproductive rights. Making this doctor famous wouldn't be a bad idea either.

[–]OrganicCat 0 points1 point ago

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Have fun on your bagionllaire lawsuit if you got treated under and HMO plan (or any insurance really). In the US at least, they are obligated in my understanding to treat you and they denied treatment.

[–]bmlol 0 points1 point ago* 

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Take that bitch to the board of directors.

[–]xmnstr 0 points1 point ago

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Aubergine?

[–]Im-postle-able 0 points1 point ago

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Another option is just get the regular contraceptive pill, take 2, then 2 -12 hours later... same thing.

Also.. come to Australia, our crazies don't get jobs.

[–]CosmicBard 0 points1 point ago

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The important thing here is that when you do decide to find a new OB/GYN, that you make very clear to your old one why you're deciding you no longer require her services.

Tell her you're outright offended that she'd take her sacred duty as a healer so personally as to let her beliefs stand in the way of doing her job properly.

[–]l00pee 0 points1 point ago

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I dont think you even need a prescription. My girlfriend and I have just gone to the pharmacy. This is in Arizona however.

[–]coppersink 0 points1 point ago

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Well to be fair Plan-B should really get his own.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Get a new doctor and ask them what their views are before signing on to their patient list. you should suggest to your wife that she go on the pill.

[–]SirOblivious 0 points1 point ago

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Isn't that against the law?

[–]msundi83 0 points1 point ago

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That sucks. Gotta look into these guys beforehand which can be tough. I know docs at my medical school who don't even do birth control. They won't even fill the script when covering for other physicians on their team. I know it pisses off a lot of people. It isn't grounds for losing a license though. Just have to find a doctor that is more on your plane of reasoning unfortunately.

[–]ppcpunk 0 points1 point ago

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Did wayne brady end up having to choke a bitch?

[–]daytonamike 0 points1 point ago

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[–]Scarlet- 0 points1 point ago

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Next-Choice is the generic for Plan-B. Costs 40 dollars. You have to pay your Dr. a office visit charge. Culinary it's 14 dollars. So what, you're saving your time + 25 dollars?

[–]BloodyThorn 0 points1 point ago

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I've gotten to the point to where when I get a new doctor, I frankly ask them;

"Dr Whatsyourname, I don't care if your religious, but is there is anything that is in your power to do/give as a doctor, that you would not on religious grounds?"

If the answer isn't a direct "No" my next visit is to someone else.

[–]autinytim 0 points1 point ago

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You mentioned your co-pay, when I had to buy Plan-B OTC after an encounter and condom break, I was able to apply for a reimbursement from my insurance company. May want to check on this.