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What is the reason behind disliking the sound of your own voice when you hear it in a recording? (self.askscience)
submitted 1 year ago* by IvyVineLine
[–]zeebooraffe 152 points153 points154 points 1 year ago
Most people seem to be taking this as why your voice sounds different in your head then in from a recording. I think the OP is actually asking if there is a reason they are scared into not talking at all after hearing a recording of their voice because it sounds so terrible, or whether they actually just have a terrible voice. Atleast that is what I took from it (that being a fear of mine as well).
[–]IvyVineLine[S] 103 points104 points105 points 1 year ago
You're correct. My question is not why we sound different, it's why most of us automatically dislike the sound of our own voice in a recording. I don't know that I would use the word "fear," I still talk a lot, but I hate hearing myself recorded.
I was wondering this after taking a public speaking class and recording my speech and playing it back so I could hear my delivery, and realizing that I have the most horrid, annoying, disgusting voice in the world, even though other people say my voice is fine, or that they like my voice.
[–]TheOthin 82 points83 points84 points 1 year ago
It seems to me that the fact that it sounds so different from what we expect is precisely what we dislike about it.
[–]IvyVineLine[S] 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago
That seems to be the general consensus so far... I guess it's the psychology behind it.
[–]ordinaryrendition 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
I can only speak for most men (and specifically for myself), but we generally prefer deeper voices. We hear our own voices deeper than what how we record. So it's not that it's different, but it's different in a bad way. Couple that with the realization that the bad way is what others are hearing and you start thinking "oh god is that really me? That sucks."
We're supposed to refrain from anecdote, but this is a question about experience, and we can't measure this level of experience on the neural level yet, so matching anecdotes is all we get.
[–]jukensha 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I always hear my voice deeper as to compared to what I think i sounds like...If I die young, play for me tambourine...pls...
[–]i-poop-you-not 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Now, dear female redditors, do you feel awkward when you hear your real voice too?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
My wife loathes the sound of her recorded voice.
[–]omgzpplz 38 points39 points40 points 1 year ago
It makes sense. I'm no expert, nor do I really think anyone can really know this without some interpretation. But, if you think about it, you'd like to think you know yourself very well. You've been with yourself every waking moment of your life. When you hear your voice be different than what you're used to it is, by its strictest definition, "weird" or "queer" to you. This makes you automatically question your understanding of yourself and your self-confidence along with it.
Please don't take this as layman speculation. I'd like to think this genuinely contributes to the discussion while at the same time admitting I'm no expert on the matter.
Edit: And then there are people like DresdenPI that hear it and it is different but they happen to like it more. So really it depends on your own interpretation of it.
[–]DarkLardVader 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
It's likely the same reason we hate our profile view. Without a camera or some weird mirror angles we don't ever really see the side of our face, so it looks so foreign or strange to actually see it.
[–]RevProtocol 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I think you're right on the money. We only know ourselves from a certain perspective, and when introduced to elements about our bodies that we don't encounter on a regular basis, it causes a bit of cognitive dissonance. "No, that's not me... but I know it is me!"
[–]bhoen 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I feel that we as human being makes conscious effort to speak in a certain way. As in we hone our voice to sound a certain way, we perfected it and feel comfortable hearing it in our heads. When hearing the real sound we make, we couldn't help but to treat it as foreign and unable to relate to it straight away.
Yeah I mean, it conflicts with our own image of ourself and our person. Every day on a daily basis, our voice and the feel and sound of our voice are one of the biggest things in the perception of ourselves, it is the only way most of us transmit our thoughts and opinions outside of body language. We have created our own idea of "self" inside our minds, including the voice we hear every day when we talk, so to hear a completely different voice when it's recorded is jarring.
[–]i-poop-you-not 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Meeting some stranger for the first time can be scary. Hearing my voice for the first time feels like meeting myself for the first time.
I wonder if Morgan Freeman and Alan Rickman were also freaked out when they heard their own voice for the first time.
[–]DontHassleMeImLocal 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Non-scientific recording engineer here- in my experience this is the most likely response. Years ago, when i first started out, i was horrified to hear my own nasally voice recorded, but now that i've heard myself recorded on a daily basis (either because i happen to be in the live room while rolling or because i am slating the take number) for years, i've come to sort of just know that it's 'my voice' in the same way that i look at my hand and know that it is 'my hand.'
[–]Spoonge 34 points35 points36 points 1 year ago
My girlfriend explained this to me once after she graduated with a Psych degree, but she's sleeping and I cannot remember the specifics. It is certainly psychological though, and it has to do with a dissonance between your established norm (the way your voice sounds inside of your head) and the seemingly distorted perception of your voice recorded from an external source. Part of your brain understands that they are the same, but clearly there are slight differences and the mind has trouble resolving them. If someone could find the term for this with details, that would be awesome.
It's actually kind of similar to why most people dislike their photographs. For reference, THIS IS NEAT. Facial recognition of other people is generally biased towards the RIGHT side of their face. That is, you place more emphasis on features of the right side of someone's face than those on the left. Since most people overwhelmingly develop an image of their own appearance by looking at reflections (i.e. in bathroom mirrors), you tend to develop a "normal" image that is biased toward the LEFT side of your face. When looking at a photo of yourself (remember, not mirrored), your brain still focuses on features on the RIGHT side of your face but ohmygodsomethingiswrong it is not quite right. The image is similar enough that you expect it to match the "normal" self image that you've internalized, but "different" enough that your brain goes ಠ_ಠ
[–]th555 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
So when looking at someone we are scanning the left side of their face. I wonder if this is related to how we scan books - down the left side of a page to find interesting sounding sentances/bullets/paragraph headers before scanning to the right.
So then, could it be that in cultures where their language is read right-to-left, their facial recognition is the right-side of the face as well (the targets left side)?
[–]shinobi8 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I look like shit an a vast majority of photos of me, but once in a while, I luck out and manage to look obscenely handsome! I cant for the life of me explain this.
[–]ben_there_raped_that 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
So this begs an experiment in which subjects are presented with a series of photos of themselves, some of them flipped horizontally. In the flipped photos, right and left would be reversed, as in one's reflection in a mirror. The subjects would then be asked to rate their own appearance in each photo. If this hypothesis is correct, there would be a significant difference in the ratings of flipped and unflipped photos.
Has something like this been done?
[–]Spoonge 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
yes, but I don't know where exactly. It's actually neat to play with - find a typical photo of yourself with the face clearly visible to which you're normally like, "meh..." and flip it on the Y axis, so the left becomes right and vise versa.
[–]easy5 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Not original respondent, but I just tried this out witih a bunch of pictures of myself - mirroring the image and my god, it was like flipping a switch. Went from being "meh" to "hello handsome".
Now I'm going to try this with people who know my face quite well - I wonder if a reversed image of me will trigger the same "weird" factor in their minds. Then I'm going to proceed to alter bits of my face to try to find the threshold at which change becomes [subconciously] noticeable..
[–]DresdenPI 30 points31 points32 points 1 year ago
Based off of my own experiences this premise isn't necessarily true. For example, I think I sound better in a recording than I actually do because to me my voice sounds higher pitched than it does in a recording and I think that deeper male voices sound better. However, I can understand why people would be disturbed by their voice sounding different in a recording than it does to them because it's a source of uncertainty. People put a lot of effort into the way people perceive them, and speech is an enormous part of that effort. When people hear what their voices really sound like it makes them question whether they're actually portraying themselves as they want to.
[–]Force2Reckon 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Awhile back I used to hate my voice, the thing being that I felt for some reason it was twisted by the recorder... What I've discovered from doing YouTube videos though is not that the recorder twists my voice but my mind doesn't retwist it back into what I want it to sound like, I hear it as if someone else is saying it, I have no prejudice for it sounding better. A test I did with my friends and anyone who I talk to told me that, yeh my voice is a little different on tape, but not much, still sounds like me. Now that I know this, I know that thats how I sound not the voice that was in my head my subconscious (I guess idk) stopped warping it, I don't even notice a difference between the recording and what I have decided that I should sound like. I guess I just got used to it, or I've finally accepted that I'm not a deep bronze voiced god. Either way it's gone for me.
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
For the same reason you'd dislike a mirror that shows your face slightly off. It's not "right".
[–]Infinator10 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Also a video of yourself
[–]notoriiouzz 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
the only reason i can think of would probably be because when we hear our own voice on a recording, we immediately begin judges/critics of everything we say in the future, and have said in the past. it is simply the raised consciousness of something that usually goes unnoticed.
its similar to when you injure a part of your body like a finger. once that finger or body part becomes unusable, you get real angry noticing all the things you can't do without it.
i know when i injured my index and middle finger, or when i injured my right foot (separate occasions), during the healing process i said to myself "i will not take you for granted ever again!!!!"
[–]kalisk 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
In the same vein of reasoning. I really wonder why people say my father's voice and my own sound almost identical, when in a recording they sound nothing a like to my own ear.
[–]epik 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I wonder if we would be able to recognize a recording of our own voice of someone recorded it and played it back to us without our knowledge.
Would we dislike it immediately or would be need to be told that the voice is ours.
[–]IvyVineLine[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I asked that exact question earlier up in the thread somewhere. There was no definitive answer, it's kind of a hypothetical question, I guess.
[–]Taniwha_NZ 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Fear definitely comes in if a person has even slight tendency to social phobia of any kind. Lots of people get very anxious when they have to eat in public, ride on public transport, use public toilets and so on, mostly because they panic at the idea that other people an see and judge them, or they might do something in public that would cause embarassment.
So if someone has problems like that, hearing their own voice could spark serious anxiety and even terror as they realise people hear that awful sound whenever they speak. I think it's worse than realising you have BO or bad breath, which terrifies people badly enough already, because it has been going on for years and you didn't know.
This doesn't help you much because this panic is a result of the initial dislike of their own sound, not the cause.
[–]boilermakermatt 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Also, phones and other low quality mics tend to ignore the lower and higher ranges of your voices, recording mainly the mid range.
[–]Lampshader 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
You're right that telephones only use a small range of frequencies, but your implication that a low quality microphone causes this is incorrect. Telephones use a small range of frequencies to reduce the bandwidth required. You could plug a fancy Sennheiser stage mic into your phone, but your voice would still sound terrible (but, importantly, still easily intelligable)
[–]Leothegiant 174 points175 points176 points 1 year ago
I am no scientist and this is my first post ever on Reddit, that is how interested I am in the topic in my own life. I have been playing guitar for 13 years now and a few years back I decided to focus on singing to add a skill to my musicianship. I studied books, took lessons, practiced often, but one thing always stopped me. The sound of my voice was unacceptable to me but everyone else liked it. I began to really sit on why as I have always been a logical person and am very into psychology as well. I believe that as we become more conscious of our own selves we find ways to identify with our physical self, recognizing our face in the mirror, our hands in a picture, any unique properties, even how your own legs and feet look when you stare down at them. One's own voice is critical to personal identity, how we hear ourselves, the voice you have when you think. These are deeply rooted in personal identification and when you hear your voice on a recording you hear the other you. A you that you can partly identify to but that isn't quite right. in my example my voice sounds much deeper, fuller, and all around more awesome in my own head, I identify with it as it is "ME" to me. But the voice others hear is not ME, it is close but not what I know so well. A study that was on NPR a week ago talked about an experiment that involved participants listening to 10 people including themselves say hello in random order over a few minutes, they were asked to press a button when they heard their own voice, most could not accurately do it for long yet the sensors hooked up to them showed a physical response to their own voice whether or not they actaully recognized it. Basically I believe it is a very complex relationship with your personal identity. Imagine waking up with a different voice all together, or with different hands, or another face. Another quick example (if you have friends try this) have some immitate you as a person, your gestures, posture, whatever is unique about you to them. You will most certainly dissagree with whatever it is they do because you probably don't identify yourself the same way others identify you. Tell me what you guys think about all this good stuff, the topic is tantelizing.
[–]usurper7 27 points28 points29 points 1 year ago
As a twin, I hear my voice outside my head all the time (most people, even my parents, cannot tell the difference between our voices). I don't think my brother sounds like me when listening to him, but I know that we do sound the same. It's weird, but we can do surround sound XD
[–]De_Angelo 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
There needs to be an experiment done with twins on this subject. I must know more...
[–]Gorgak 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Do you have the same hangups that others do when hearing a recording of your own voice?
[–]NotMyDayJob 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
Also musician here and this is dead on! I have always hated my own voice. But over time I just accepted it and that one thing has made me a better performer. I think its has to do with being self conscious. Same thing when playing a solo, which I also have got over.
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago
When I speak, I feel like my voice is nuanced, with subtleties in tonality, but when I hear it on tape, it seems incredibly monotone. Makes me feel like cave man.
[–]fraynatic 28 points29 points30 points 1 year ago*
As a budding psychologist, this is spot on. We base our (for lack of better word) vocal self-esteem on our established conceptions of ourselves; when you hear your voice in a recording you freak out because you know it's you, but it doesn't sound like your perception of your own voice. This is because you perceive your voice differently than others. The sound waves of your voice must travel through your head on their way from your vocal cords to your cochlea, and passing through solid material (your head) changes the way your perceive the sound, hence discomfort due to unfamiliarity
[–]IvyVineLine[S] 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
This... Is a really interesting way to look at it. I like this.
[–]blargman2 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
A study that was on NPR
I can't find it. Link, please?
[–]Relevant_Radiolab 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Radiolab Podcast: Voices in Your Head
[–]Leothegiant 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I will do some searching for a link on the story. The story was specifically on how people that compulsively lie are happier but the test seemed very relevant to this topic.
[–]TheCheekySeagull 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Imagine waking up with a different voice all together, or with different hands, or another face.
I saw this actually happen on a medical documentary on TLC (before it became crap). An american woman, who had a job as a radio host, woke up one day with a completely different voice and a really marked british accent. According to the documentary, there are a few recognized cases, and psychologists have termed it "foreign accent syndrome." It ruined the woman's life because nobody takes her seriously anymore.
Wasn't it called 'the man who thought his wife was a hat' or something like that? It focussed on a doctor/scientist who was researching brain function by looking at people who had lost a very specific piece of brain from an accident or surgery, or who just woke up one day with their brain working considerably differently than normal.
Really interesting stuff.
[–]Juggernath 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Excellent reply, I like it. Thus, I shall ask you this: When someone is listening to you speak, which you do they hear? Do they hear your voice as you percieve it, or a voice more like that of the recording that you dislike?
Well a few people posted the actual reason that your voice sounds different in your head. It is due to the way your own voice reverberates around in your nasal cavity and skull, giving a much brighter, fuller tone in most people. when you speak, others hear your voice without all the EQ that you hear, basically no one will ever truly hear your voice the same way that you do, unless you could use an audio program to replicate it spot on. I would then imagine that hearing the "altered to sound just like the voice in your head" voice wouldn't be as jarring. Just speculation of course.
[–]aidrocsid 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Why does this comment have so many upvotes? This is not scientific, it's anecdotal. This shouldn't even be here.
[–]The_Double 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Hobby radio presenter here. I used hating my voice, it was so different from how it sounded in my head. But after a time, you get used to it. Now, my voice in my head sounds almost the same as it sounds on a recording, and I think it sound pretty good. So you can change your idea of how you sound.
I would imagine that over time one would get used to the "outside voice" and begin to at least be accepting of it. Anytime Iv'e listened to a great singer answer the question of, do you like your own voice, they almost always say no. Even some singers that have, in my opinion, the most beautiful voices around, have that disconnect. It can really be personally subjective.
[–]sxbennett 205 points206 points207 points 1 year ago*
Yes, it is. When you read, listen, and/or speak, the key areas in the brain are Wernicke's area and Broca's area. Wernicke's area is responsible for processing auditory information, it's the "voice" in your head that reads out words to your brain, then Broca's area guides the motor cortex to physically move the lips, tongue, etc. to form words. This all happens very quickly, so when you hear yourself speak your perception of the actual sound made is distorted by your perception of Wernicke's area "speaking" to you. When you hear a recording of yourself, you only hear the physical sound waves you produced, so it sounds different. I hope that was clear enough, feel free to ask more questions.
EDIT: It's Wernicke's area that interprets information, but it's the angular gyrus that "speaks" it. Sorry, my memory failed me.
[–]lillesvin 94 points95 points96 points 1 year ago*
Linguist here. Your descriptions of Wernicke's and Broca's areas sound a bit off to me compared to what I was taught in Psycholinguistics, but it's been a while, so I may be wrong. Anyway, I wouldn't mind some sources on how Wernicke's area affects how you hear your own voice, because I'm unfamiliar with that claim, but it sounds interesting.
However, I would argue that the main reason that one's voice sounds strange to one self when listening to a recording mainly has to do with the lack of internal feedback --- i.e. it's simply a matter of physics.
When you speak, the sound waves others hear are perpetuated only through the air, whereas the ones you yourself hear are perpetuated both through the air (going out of your mouth and into your ears) as well as through your body (mainly your bones). The latter is the internal feedback. One characteristic of internal feedback is that it's usually carries a lot more bass than the external feedback, which is why one's voice usually sounds a lot more "whiny" when recorded. Try placing your fingers firmly on your jaw bone and start humming as loud, clear and low (tone-wise, not volume-wise) as you can. You should be able to feel the vibrations from your voice in your jaw bone.
You can actually get an idea of how another person's voice sounds to her/himself by having them place their chin on top of your head while they speak. This will allow the vibrations from their jaw to perpetuate through your skull and you'll hear that along with the sound going through the air. It isn't exactly how their voice sounds to them, but you'll definitely be able to hear the difference.
Edit: No, I didn't put those "exercises" in there to make everyone look silly. It's just an added bonus. :)
[–]parl 22 points23 points24 points 1 year ago
In my pre-retired life I helped install phone systems and voice mail systems. As a result, my voice is on all together too many voice mail systems here in Silicon Valley, usually when there were no native-English speakers in the company. And I definitely have a "native English speaker" standard American accent.
But in any case, when I would assist the person (usually female) assigned to record the greetings, etc., she would invariably say, "But I sound awful." The way I explained it was, "I have good news and bad news. The good news is that when you hear your own voice, you hear it not only through your ears, but also through the bones of your head. So of course it sounds different when it's recorded. The bad news is, (sigh) that's what you sound like to other people."
That usually broke the ice and worked to get them to record what they had to and I also gave them instructions on how to re-record it when the inevitable changes would occur in the future. I called it "empowering the customer" and always tried to do this.
I like the idea of having someone talk with their chin on someone else's head. Yes, it'll look strange, but it's worth trying.
[–]medstudent22Med Student MS3 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I also thought this sounded a little off. Sxbennet responded: "I'm sorry I can't find a source, I'm going off of old psychology notes."
What are your thoughts on the effect of the vocalization induce stapedius reflex on the difference in sound?
[–]lillesvin 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Well, so much for a source on that claim then, I guess. :(
Re the stapedius reflex: From what I could read in the linked Wikipedia entry it sounds very solid to me. Especially this part:
Finally, the stapedius reflex is not very effective for very low frequency sounds because they are mainly transmitted by bone-conduction to the ear.
That would seem to corroborate the "internal feedback" hypothesis.
[–]lexixd 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
Im going to try this chin on head thing. Sounds awesome.
[–]p3ngwin 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago*
as evidence of bone conduction being responsible for people not hearing some speech we ourselves perceive when speaking, i present the fact that "bone conducting" microphones" and bluetooth mics exist.
they work on a similar principle to "throat mics". where the mic pics up the vibration without the "outside" ambient noise that has nothing to do with your voice. in essence it pics up your voice as close to source as currently possible. they are cheap and have been in use for a long time since military, and later consumer options.
like you said, other listeners are only getting some of the information your own ears pick-up when you hear your own voice.
[–]listos 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
This explanation is how I always thought it was. due to the sound vibrating through your body as well as the air. Very nice explanation.
I've always assumed that you hear your voice differently in your head due to some kind of bone-related phenomena, but that doesn't help explain why my voice seems to be a different pitch inside my head as well... does it?
For example, I cannot sing, and yet when I hear myself sing along with a record it sounds inside my head that I'm pretty much at the same pitch as the singer or instruments.
Yet to everyone else listening to both me and the song, I sound way out of tune.
I'm pretty sure we all know someone like this, or are like this ourselves, but I really don't understand how a really good singer hears their voice internally in a way that lets them harmonise effortlessly with an external sound.
Is this an aspect of the same mechanism, and if so, how? Or is it a totally different part of our audio processing that fucks things up in some people but not others?
[–]lillesvin 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I would argue that it's a different mechanism, because your bones merely resonate to your voice. It might instead be some degree of tone deafness.
You'll sometimes see singers put a finger in one ear when they have trouble hearing themselves over the music, and that certainly amplifies the internal feedback compared to the external feedback, but it helps them stay in tune. (You can probably find a video of it on youtube, but I can't for the life of me guess what search terms to use.)
[–]IvyVineLine[S] 60 points61 points62 points 1 year ago
Is that the same part of the brain that reads another person's words in a different voice? For instance, I am female, but when reading your post, I "heard" it in my head in a deepish male voice.
Also, I understand the what your brain hears and what you actually hear part, but why does our own voice sound so jarring and unpleasant? Is it just because we know that it is ourselves? Hypothetically, if I had never heard a recording of my own voice before, and someone were to record some unimportant conversation from years ago that I don't really remember, and played it for me without revealing that it was actually me, would I instantly recognize that it was my voice and find it unappealing, or would I hear it just as another normal voice that doesn't make me cringe?
I know that question may be difficult to answer, or may not have an answer at all, but I'm just trying to understand if it's just because we consciously know the recording is of us, and so we scrutinize it more, or if it's something we would instantly recognize.
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[–]sxbennett 28 points29 points30 points 1 year ago*
Yes, it's the part of the brain responsible for "hearing" a voice that is read from text, so it would be responsible for making you perceive the voice as a different one from your own.
Essentially, yes, it's because we know it's ourselves. It's so "jarring" because it's not what you expect it to sound like. I'm not entirely sure how to answer your hypothetical question.
[–]Batmaners 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I have to record myself multiple times a day at work, and listen to it recording ATIS messages. We have to listen to the recording prior to transmitting it to verify accuracy. It is recorded hourly unless the weather changes enough to require a new one to be made.
I've grown slightly accustomed to hearing myself speak on recording. It could be that it is something that takes getting used to. The recording is not perfect quality, sometimes I wonder what my voice would sound like in a movie quality recording.
[–]a4462995 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
One of the only times I actually liked how my own voice sounded was when I was testing out high-quality microphones with full can headphones on. I realized that, for me at least (6'5", 260lb, and a big deep voice) the thing I was missing in recordings of my voice (which were generally done with crappy mic's like cellphones) was the bass and undertones. I heard myself on a Blue Snowball (which I ended up buying) with some good ear cans and fell in love with myself all over again.
[–]IvyVineLine[S] 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
No, I think I get it now. Thank you for the explanation, it really made sense of things for me.
[–]lingual_panda 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
For instance, I am female, but when reading your post, I "heard" it in my head in a deepish male voice.
I wonder if this is part of the female condition, where most of the world takes place from a male perspective and so women become accustomed to seeing through the male gaze.
Here's an interesting explanation of how a man felt when he came across a truly female-centric perspective for the first time.
Yeah not the most scientific contribution, but it's an interesting aspect of social science, particularly gender studies, and I wonder if there is more research on it.
[–]pyxlated 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
That was an excellent read, thank you for linking to it.
[–]from_my_phone 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
That was a very interesting read. Thank you for sharing.
[–]gnorty 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
This makes sense (so does the bone resonation theory stated elsewhere, and which I always thought to be the culprit). What is not so clear is why people (almost) universally find the sound of their own voice unpleasant/embarrassing. Different I can understand, but why would everyone think their own voice is totally unacceptable when everyone else hears it as fairly normal?
[–]IvyVineLine[S] 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
This. This is exactly my question, everyone seems to think I'm asking why we sound different in our head than we do in a recording, but what I'm really asking is why we dislike the sound of our voice in a recording.
[–]econleech 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Say, for example, you look in the mirror, and someone else's face looks back at you. Would that make you uncomfortable? My guess is it's the same thing with your voice. You think you sound a certain way, but then you learn you sounded different.
[–]nathan98000 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
A more proper analogy would be if she were to look into a mirror and like her appearance, but if she were to see herself in a video recording, she would either not recognize or dislike her appearance.
[–]medstudent22Med Student MS3 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
I've never heard of this before, and it isn't really making sense to me. I always assumed it came down to bone conduction. Do you have any sources for this explanation so I can read more about it?
[–]IvyVineLine[S] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
What is bone conduction?
[–]medstudent22Med Student MS3 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Your inner ear (cochlea) is surrounded by bone. When you speak the vibrations from your vocal cords and the sound all the way up get conducted through your tissue and through the bone to your cochlea. When you speak you hear the combination of this and the sound of your voice through the air.
Sound also travels from your vocal cords and other structures directly to the cochlea, but the mechanical properties of your head enhance its deeper, lower-frequency vibrations. The voice you hear when you speak is the combination of sound carried along both paths. When you listen to a recording of yourself speaking, the bone-conducted pathway that you consider part of your “normal” voice is eliminated, and you hear only the air-conducted component in unfamiliar isolation. You can experience the reverse effect by putting in earplugs so you hear only bone-conducted vibrations.
Scientific American
This was the top answer last time it was asked and answered by a panelist...
While there is some contribution to the discrepancy in the sound of one's voice as a result of damping through bone conduction, the major reason is actually something known as the pre-vocalization reflex. There's a great description of it [1] here, but to summarize, essentially any time you are about to say something, cranial nerves fire in order to ensure that your hearing is dampened at that time, thereby making your voice sound different to yourself. If the function of these cranial nerves is harmed (Bell's Palsy), then you no longer hear yourself the way that you used to hear yourself. (Which is actually one of the symptoms for the disease).
http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/gyexm/why_does_my_voice_sound_different_when_i_listen/
[–]IvyVineLine[S] 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
My question was not why our voices sound different in our heads than they do in a recording, my question was why we dislike the sound of our own voices in a recording.
Sound also travels from your vocal cords and other structures directly to the cochlea, but the mechanical properties of your head enhance its deeper, lower-frequency vibrations
Is this why my voice sounds deeper when I hear myself speak than it actually is? I always feel that I have a deep voice for a woman, but I am told that I do not.
[–]medstudent22Med Student MS3 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Here is wikipedia on the pre-vocalization reflex
The stapedius reflex is also invoked when a person vocalizes. In humans, the vocalization-induced stapedius reflex reduces sound intensities reaching the inner ear by approximately 20 decibels. The stapedius reflex causes an acousto-mechanical increase in impedance. Continuing the electronics analogy (impedance is "resistance" for AC signals), understanding the basic block diagram is important. Essentially everything in the ear is connected "in series": The outer ear → the eardrum → the ossicles → the fluid-filled cochlea. Inside the cochlea, a traveling wave of displacement occurs in the fluid, and deflects the inner hair cells' hairs, which causes the primary auditory neurons to send impulses to the brain. If any effect decreases transduction from one element to the next (in the items of the above paragraph), there will ultimately be less signal sent to the brain. The stapedius reflex that is invoked upon vocalization works in the ossicles of the middle ear, and is an active effect. A muscle is tightened in anticipation of the onset of vocalizing.
This with maybe a minor contribution from the bone conduction I mentioned earlier make your voice sound different or deeper to you than it does to everyone else.
I assumed you didn't like the sound of your voice because it sounded different to you when you heard it through the recording than it does when you speak. I know it is jarring to me. We are so accustomed to sounding a certain way that hearing our words in a different voice seems off. Maybe there is some psychology behind this that someone can educate us on.
[–]yourfaceyourass 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
So the voice I hear in a recording is what I actually sound like?
[–]LOLrSAUCE 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
So do people whose voices the general public find appealing, a la Morgan Freeman, find their own voices displeasing to listen to?
After a few weeks of being recorded a lot and listening to myself all the time (intern work in a recording studio) I found I got used to it without really noticing. Even after just an hour or two your own voice will sound more normal.
You still recognise that it's not how you hear yourself, but it no longer bothered me at all.
I think there is a component of this surprise at your own voice that comes from other people being around to hear it too. It's weird, because they hear you like this all the time, so it's identical, but you for some reason still feel a bit embarassed about them having to listen to you all the time, as in "oh my god is that me? do I really sound so nasally and high-pitched? like a bitch?"
So, once you are in an environment where everybody is hearing themselves all the time, it makes you accept it more quickly, mostly because anyone who makes a big deal out of their voice more than once, i.e. the first time, just annoys everyone else.
[–]kiwinotafruit 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I have a rhotacism, when I talk, in my head it sounds normal, but when i hear a recording its sounds extremely different, so much so it sounds borderline English,however I'm American, Does the same thing apply?
[–]Lil_Fumbies 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
This is off topic from the original question but you seem knowledgeable on the subject. Do you happen to have any information regarding how deaf people handle the "voice" in their head as they have never heard verbal communication? Do they still have a "voice" or is it replace by something else.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
This question has been asked before, hopefully that can provide you some insights.
[–]Lil_Fumbies 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I will be sure to read through it.
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Is there any evidence for this or is it just psychology's typical non empirical conjectures? Basically I'm asking for some sources.
[–]Snookerman 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
That was not the question. The question is why we dislike it.
[–]zanycaswell 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Nice answer, but it doesn't answer the question.
[–]gnorty 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
[–]thosewholeft -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
This makes me think of when I do presentations I can separate from my speaking mouth, retreat into my head, think "out loud" in my brain about what I should do next and comment to myself on how that one dude is kinda creepy looking, then catch back up with my mouth.
[–]hhhhhhhiiiiiii 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Can you back your answer up with any references? It sounds like a troll answer -- just slightly plausible, but not based on any proven fact. The explanations I've heard have to do with the transmission of sound through the skull to the inner ear and how that transmission attenuates high frequencies.
[–]Mugford9 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I'm sorry, maybe it's because I'm tired, but I'm unclear in what you're saying. The edit confused me more.
[–]PinballWizrd 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
you only hear the physical sound waves you produced
I think it is worth adding that when you speak, the physical sound waves you produce travel through more than just the air, but through your body. When these sound waves reach the sinuses they reverberate, producing a deeper and more "full" sound than what you hear when listening to a recording.
Doesn't it also have to do with all the fluids/bone/flesh that seperates our larynx from our ears, therefore, the sound that we actually hear is different than our recorded voice?
[–]frabuk -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Wow, I always thought that's because you would here your own voice to a greater degree via bone conduction when the sound is produced inside your own body. Never ocurred to me, that the brain perceives differnetly while "producing" sounds.
[–]reon2-_ 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
A big part of the reason why we have a tendency to dislike, fear, or even hate the sound of our own voices when we hear them in a recording is because they sound different.
In particular, there is less bass, which makes us sound more nasal, more whiney and less authoritative.
Roughly speaking, in audio engineering, having a "fuller" bass sound is considered more flattering.
Probably psychology is also involved, imagine how nervous you'd be if you'd never seen a photograph of yourself before, taken at a non-flattering moment.
[–]TheLongForgottenAnus 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
i agree with this, and to expand on the psychological aspect, obviously you want to sound good so your adjust your voice to make it sound as good as possible (within the limits of the various apparatuses that control and effect your voice) so the voice you hear on a recording will typically fall short of this, because you have not optimised your voice for external listening.
if you could "turn off" the voice you hear when you speak, and only hear yourself through your own ears, you would over time learn to adjust the use of your voicebox, breathing, mouth, etc to make that sound better, ie, minimise the nasal/whiney effects that reon2 suggests make us hate our own voice so much in the first place.
[–]takethesquid 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
I beg to differ with most answers, as I already know my voice sounds different. I went past that shock many years ago.
But I still wonder, just like OP, why is it that my voice sounds awfully horrible when recorded. I don't even think "my voice is different" what I instantly think is that I hate that individual with all my might, I would instantly punch someone who spoke like that. Then the shocking realization that I hate myself. Followed by how can people withstand that horrible noise and not consider me THE most annoying thing in the universe. Also my in head-voice is child like. The recorded one is really grave. So I fail to be convinced by the bass thing... but could be true for some.
I have my theories for the cause, but this is /r/askscience ffs, not laymen speculation central. May we be enlightened by our properly educated non speculating comrades
[–]IvyVineLine[S] 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
The same. I've wondered how anyone could ever possibly want to have a conversation with me without drilling their eardrums out after hearing a recording of myself.
[–]misanthropist1 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Me too. Hearing my voice in my head I feel like I sound totally normal, but hearing a recording I sound like I have the worst gay lisp I've ever heard. After listening to a recording I find myself extremely self conscious about my voice.
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[–]neilpomerleau 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
In terms of familiarity, it has a lot to do with the mere exposure effect. We tend to prefer that with which we are familiar. Ask people to choose between a photograph of themselves and its reflection, and they will tend to prefer the reflection. This is because we are more familiar with our mirror image. Friends and family, on the other hand, will prefer the unreflected image. Likewise, we're more familiar with the way our voice sounds internally rather than externally, whereas others would be likely to dislike the way we hear ourselves if somehow given the opportunity.
[–]Eridanus_Supervoid 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I'd say uncanny valley effect applies here. If it was unrecognizable to the point of being only symbolically familiar, you'd probably be ok with it. If it sounded exactly the way you sound in your head, you'd probably be ok with it. It's that it occupies a strange realm in-between, this, 'oh god, I know that's me, but...that's how I sound to OTHER people?!?!' that does it.
[–]OlePharmD 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I wonder if this auditory disdain is parallel to tasting something unexpected. One time I drank what I thought was going to be my wine but was actually someone else's glass of water. I immediately spat it out on the ground because it tasted awful. Water is about as neutral as it gets, but my mind immediately rejected it. Has anyone experienced this before?
[–]chamagass 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
As an actor, I've understood all over my voice studies that it's the great difference between hearing your voice and hearing other's: in the first instance, you not only hear the vibrance of your voice coming out from your mouth, you also hear de vibrations that generate in your head and your chest, right from the inside (something you can't hear from others). Note that the mouth, the ears and the nose are literally connected by tubes. So, since the inner frequencies are lower and in a different perception, when you hear it recorded and played, you only hear the frequencies that travel through the air, but not the ones that, whenever you talk, you can percieve from inside. Thus, when you hear it recorded it doesn's sound like your "own voice" (this means, what you feel when you actually talk), you don't like it beacuse it doesn't has those deeper tones that can be heard from the inside. Or maybe not.
[–]gleno 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Very interesting question, I've always wondered this; but more about image reflection. I have a follow up on topic, how would people react if they heard their voice played back to them without knowing it was them? Could be hard to stage, given that most people could probably recall what they were saying; but non the less interesting if the person would recognize their own voice even though it's so horribly distorted by the cranium.
[–]scex 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Here is my anecdotal counter-point: I am actually pleasantly surprised when I hear a recording of my voice. I usually think it sounds better than the internal monologue.
Also, I'm not sure if this has already mentioned but sound recordings might not sound the same as hearing the actual voice in person. Particularly with phone messages and the like which tend to be very low in quality.
[–]MUYkylo -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Broadcasting major here.
It's mostly due to the fact that you have cavities (sinuses) in your head that you "hear" air vibrate in. When you hear you're voice in a recording, you don't get that effect, because you aren't talking to get that air moving through your sinuses as well as into your ears.
This is going to sound stupid, but have you heard about those kids who put their earbuds up their nose, then open their mouth and it works kinda like a speaker? Can the sinus cavities be what's causing the sound to amplify?
[–]Facewizard 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I am testing this now. This is the best suggestion I have heard in AGES.
Did it work?
[–]Facewizard 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
yeah, I think, but then I realized that I had no one else in the house to tell me what it sounded like :(((((((
[–]sheeboo 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I imagine it may have something to do with an idea like Johari's Window; there is a part of ourselves (part of our way of being in the world) which we're completely blind to. Hearing ourselves the way others do is unsettling, perhaps, because it creates an awareness of the fact that we can never be sure of the way others see (hear?) us. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johari_window
From the Wikipedia page: Charles Handy calls this concept the Johari House with four rooms. Room 1 is the part of ourselves that we see and others see. Room 2 is the aspects that others see but we are not aware of. Room 3 is the most mysterious room in that the unconscious or subconscious part of us is seen by neither ourselves nor others. Room 4 is our private space, which we know but keep from others
[–]dentoneer 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
We usually think our voices are deep until we listen to a recording of them. Deeper voices usually represent a larger quantity of testosterone in males, which translates into better reproductive fitness. Speaking in strictly evolutionary terms, realizing that your voice is not as deep as you thought when listening to it on a recording, is like finding out that your penis is an inch shorter when looking at it on video, which most males dislike. To understand why your voice sounds deeper in your head than it does on a recording all you have to do is cover your ears and speak. You should be able to hear yourself clearly, despite having your ears covered. This is the "voice inside your head" and it is reaching your hearing organs from the inside of head bypassing your ears. This inside voice goes through a liquid interphase that slows the sound waves, effectively deepening the sound. Just try saying something while underwater and you will realize that interphases thicker than air will slow sound waves deepening the pitch. The opposite occurs with Helium which is less dense than air.
[–]lillesvin -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
I gave my answer to "why does it sound different" here, but I can only guess on the "why do we dislike it". As I mentioned in the linked comment, our voices tend to sound more "whiny" when we listen to a recording of ourselves, and I think it's actually just that. It sounds different from what we've been thinking our voice sounded like for years and years, and that can be pretty startling. We can also get used to hearing our own voices recorded, which again tells me that it's simply the shock of realizing that we sound different from what we expected.
[–]furiousidiot 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I would like my voice a lot more had it turned out I sounded more like Barry White rather than Bobcat Goldthwait.
[–]SeventhString -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
The way I think of it is just because it is different from what we associate as ourselves. I think it would be similar to looking in a mirror and seeing something similar to ourselves but significantly different.
[–]KarmakazeNZ 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Well, from experience (I grew up in the live sound and recording industry as well as radio) it's not that people don't like the sound of their voice, it's that it doesn't sound like their voice. When they hear themselves directly through their head, a lot of the frequencies are balanced differently. When you hear your own voice recorded, you're hearing it as it sounds while only being transmitted through the air, rather than through bone and flesh as well.
That's why most agents etc get you to send in a tape of yourself before they ever ask you to come for an audition. They may even tell you to bring one to an open audition simply to make you make one first. The idea is you will make it, play it back, hear yourself for the first time the way everyone else hears you, and not bother even going. Don't ask me to try and explain the American Idol type auditions though. My guess is they don't care if they sound shit as long as they get on TV.
Also a lot of what you hear is perception rather than real. Most recording engineers can tell a tale of a button on the mixing desk that does nothing at all. But when that particularly highly strung "artiste" starts trying to tell the engineer how to do his job and saying "it just doesn't sound right" he or she can say "Hmm you're right... what about this" push the button, and suddenly it's perfect! To them it actually sounds different because they are listening to it in a totally different way to the engineer. They aren't listening for certain frequencies or effects to be in balance, they are listening for a "feel" and that "feel" is purely subjective, so by manipulating them into thinking they have picked up on a problem, you make them "feel" like they actually fixed it as well.
I worked as a young man in radio as an engineer at a training station that taught interested people how to be "DJ's". There was nothing funnier than watching them trying to talk while hearing their own voice through headphones. They'd keep tripping up as the sound distracted them. To them it sounded like someone else was saying exactly what they were saying at the exact same time. You can imagine how distracting that could be. It takes quite awhile to get used to it. Some never do and simply can not hear themselves that way or they get distracted.
This all comes from personal experience though, so I'm sure there are better explanations from the science guys.
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