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[–]NekoLaw 47 points48 points ago

Not every woman who goes to the gym is a twentysomething hardbody who gets ogled by dudes. I think places like Curves tend to cater to a more mature, less athletically inclined woman who 1. Isn't used to working out 2. Isn't particularly comfortable with her body, and 3. doesn't want to be judged (by men or women) - they worry more about looks of derision than lustful staring.

So if a self-segregated setting that caters to their particular needs makes some women feel more comfortable and gets them to a healthier place in their lives, then I can't find a thing wrong with it.

[–]I3km 22 points23 points ago

I agree with this. I've been a member of several gyms both co-ed and women's only. In some of the co-ed gyms I've had men snort, make rude comments and other disparaging gestures at me because I'm reasonably overweight. While I'm secure enough (I know I'm healthy despite being overweight) it's just disrespectful. Really I just want to work out, I don't want to get into it at 7am with a guy who apparently has 'no fat chicks' tattooed on his brain. I want to do my damn workout. When I've gone to women only gyms it's just a much nicer atmosphere. I don't leave with that niggling sadness that someone was trying to make me feel bad.

[–]nowthisisawkward 8 points9 points ago

Not every woman who goes to the gym is a twentysomething hardbody [...] I think places like Curves tend to cater to a more mature (audience)

on a somewhat related note: ive seen granny benching double of what i bench. which left me somewhat terrified and impressed.

[–]attakburr 8 points9 points ago

As someone who has had a curves membership in the past, it's also about community. I got to know the ladies at the local curves pretty well, and you're spot on.

I was definitely the minority--I was 17 when I had my membership.

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[–]moncamonca 3 points4 points ago

Gross! Edit: Seriously. Gross.

[–]bluntbangs 18 points19 points ago

I couldn't give a rats ass about a man judging how hard I work out. I do get uncomfortable with men around, and certainly feel better if the gym has more women in it.

Whilst my gym doesn't offer a women only option, I think to deny the choice to work out there puts some women in the situation where they won't go to a gym or work out elsewhere, thus becoming the stereotype who ISN'T fit. And why should a little modesty/self consciousness prevent a woman from having the same access to health and fitness?

[–]littlebabycheeses 8 points9 points ago

As I said further down the thread, I'm really tired of men apparently having a hard time with my athleticism, not my lack of it. And not in terms of how I look. The number of incredibly huffy men who've gotten upset when they can't outrun me on a treadmill (it's not the Olympics, people) is getting old. It's at least one out of every two guys who'll run next to me in a gym. It happens outdoors too, but you're never beside someone for very long outside.

I find it really sexist that they seem to view all women as pathetic enough that none should be better than them at sport. Ever. I know they aren't to know my athletic history, but I feel like I could be in national kit and have the Olympic rings tattooed on my shoulder. They wouldn't care. I'm a girl, and thus they're mad when they can't run further faster. One day, one of them is going to fall off the back of his treadmill.

And I am not an Olympian. I'm not amazing. I'm any of us who's put a lot of time and effort into a physical activity. Many men seem to think that none of us should be capable of something they aren't. That, I find really tiresome. I often use the women's only room as a result. No one in there gives a shit what I do.

[–]bluntbangs 3 points4 points ago

Come to Sweden. Seriously. The men are impressed when you beat them. They see you as equal, and are not threatened by success - they kinda think it's hot.

[–]paperclop[S] 1 point2 points ago

I find the opposite: most of the men are seriously impressed with my athleticism - not put off by it. In fact, the only place I seem to get weird looks about how hard I'm pushing myself on the treadmill, or how much weight I can lift - is the women's only areas.

[–]duckduck_goose 16 points17 points ago

I don't think women-safe spaces are second-class at all. Some women at any stage of her weight, shape or body comfort simply don't want to get ogled at a gym. I think women majority classes are a certain comfort zone for many females new to a work out routine or women positive classes [like zoomba I think is a dance class mainly attended by women or certain fat-to-fit-for-women classes would be an easier transition] so why enforce some zero tolerance push past men ogling you, stares, sideways glances mindset?

There's plenty of areas, and I believe this to be a valid one, where women should have the option to opt out of co-ed spaces if that's her comfort level and shouldn't be judged as being weak for it. I certainly prefer women for certain things: doctors, hair dressers, women centric group therapy because fuck you; that's why!

[–]SenorMonoculo 16 points17 points ago

I enjoy co-ed spaces because they usually have a larger range of weights and machines, but it gets really irritating to have to constantly shoo "bros" away. I feel like if I am using a set of weights, they get more impatient with me than other men, who usually have a bunch of weights they're not using around them. It's like they think I'm an easy target and I'll be cowed by their assertiveness.

Even if I tell them to fuck off, it gets old very quickly. I just want to be able to work out quietly, without anyone talking to me, and leave. But in co-ed gyms, I'll have guys come up to me, mid-set, and harass me about how they want to use the equipment "for just a minute." It's like, Yeah, I'm using this for just a fucking minute too. I waited my turn so go eat a dick and wait your's.

Sorry for the rant.

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[–]SenorMonoculo 7 points8 points ago

Oh, yes. Because my comment about guys bothering me at the gym means I hate all men. Damn you, men. Damn you and your chest hair to hell.

[–]icancook2 24 points25 points ago

I've used women only (Curves, Lucille Roberts, my college had a female only gym) and co-ed (NYSC, Planet Fitness, YMCA), and I found the co-ed gyms to be better in terms of number/availability of weights, quality of machines, and trainers available. My mom found that women only gyms were better for her because she felt more comfortable. I think it's a YMMV situation!

[–]pussyham 8 points9 points ago

They're not for me, but I don't care what other people do. If it makes some women more comfortable to work out there (as opposed to working out nowhere), then more power to them.

[–]Kay_Elle 9 points10 points ago

Honestly, I just wish there were different "subcategories" of gyms - like, for example, one for the people who are really into their body image, and 5-days-a-week- workout fanatics, and other gyms for just regular peeps who wanted to lose a few pounds. I just find that those two worlds do clash so immensely.

But I have nothing against women-only gyms, and I can see who some women would prefer them.

[–]nowthisisawkward 5 points6 points ago

my gym is kinda divided. they have the real big weights upstairs and thats where the really bulky guys all hang / pose.

[–]headygoodness 7 points8 points ago

I go to a women-only gym occasionally. At first, I felt a little sheepish and lame about it. But honestly, at the "co-ed" gym, I'm not going to get into it with anyone. I'm not there to educate some clueless, obnoxious dood about how to act in public. The women-only gym is generally feels much more relaxed, and I like it.

[–]deadundead 7 points8 points ago

Personally, I don't really care who else is at the gym or studio with me. I'm focused entirely on myself and I don't want to bother anybody or have anybody bother me. I don't even go with friends or with my boyfriend. It's my time and my time alone, damn it. If I've been leered at or stared at, I sure as heck didn't notice. Then again, I'm not exactly the one that would be wowing these strangers in the first place. I'm sure there are many others like me that don't feel the need to seek out a more private alternative.

But, this is just me. There are plenty of people - plenty! - for whom even entering the gym is a daunting task in and of itself. How many people are at home using workout DVDs to get to a point where they feel comfortable enough to go to a gym? If some of these people would prefer to go to a women's only gym a la Curves and the like, who am I to say that that's wrong? As long as there's demand for it and as long as there's equal opportunity for all (by this I mean, Curves accepting transgendered woman without batting their lashes and there being ample options for men), then who cares?

[–]epithelia 6 points7 points ago

I don't want to work out with men because I don't like the oggling and strutting that goes on. I'd rather work out surrounded only by women. I'm fat (5'5" and 190lbs) and it isn't that I'm bothered by guys looking at other chicks and not me. I just feel most comfortable with other women. Not because I'm afraid of sweating, not because I'm afraid of smelling or not being pretty. It's just a preference.

[–]attakburr 8 points9 points ago*

As someone who's done it both ways, I can get the appeal of a women's only gym.

I honestly don't think it's that different then the purpose of 2xc in the midst of Reddit.

Edit: to be clear-- I have done curves, and I have done fitness classes at a co-ed gym that were targeting women (men were welcome but rarely showed), as well as straight up co-ed gym.

I would love to see a women's gym that has the same equipment as a standard co-ed gym. My only problem with Curves is that now that I have more 'gym experience' it feels more like a 'starter' location... I'm probably going to get flack for that, but it just my feeling.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

I honestly don't think it's that different then the purpose of 2xc in the midst of Reddit.

2X doesn't exclude men, though. It's about stuff relating to women or from women's perspectives, but men are still welcome here.

[–]attakburr 0 points1 point ago

That's true, but we do ask them to play by rules that the women of this subreddit have created.

I still believe the intent behind both are the same: to create a space (digital or real) where women can go and feel comfortable.

It's not about "segregation" but comfort. Many different women have different reasons for wanting to join curves. I joined because I didn't understand the equipment at a gym, and felt uncomfortable by every gym I had visited. Meanwhile, when I walked in to Curves, I was immediately welcomed.... I was sold. And my comfort sold my mom, we joined together.

Now? I don't think I'd care. If I use the gym it'd be for a treadmill for winter months, and I've got access to one via my apartment complex.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

It's not about "segregation" but comfort.

But when you do segregate people, as women or men only gyms do, it is about segregation to. It's about making people feel more comfortable through segregation.

As for your experiences, do you think you felt more comfortable because it was women's only or because Curves caters more towards people who are more beginners or low intensity instead of some gyms that cater more towards athletes/competition/intense stuff?

Because I think that there is certainly a place for gyms (or gym areas) that are welcoming to people who are just getting started or might not even have the goal of being super athletic. But those people aren't all women. Plenty of men can benefit from that, too.

[–]attakburr 1 point2 points ago

I think if it were men saying "hey lady-folk don't come here! Go to you're own space!" it would be totally different.

I really don't think the guys at a co-ed gym ultimately care one way or another if Curves exist, but the women who have Curves' membership obviously do. (Sorry, Curves is the easiest example for me to name here.)

As for my comfort level at Curves-- it really had to do with how I was treated. I had no idea how to hydraulics machines at Curves either, I was a total newb to any kind of gym equipment, regardless of expertise level that equipment might be.

So either way, I had to learn. And both environments made me nervous when talking about memberships and my goals and reasons for wanting to join. But Curves went out of their way to try and make me feel more comfortable.

Like I said somewhere else, there's a real community (at least at my local one there was) around Curves in the same way there's a community around knitting (weird example I realize). If I were to join Curves again, it wouldn't be because I loved the equipment or the fact it's ladies only. It would 200% be because at least my local Curves did an awesome job of creating a welcoming, opening and supportive atmosphere--where you got to know other people by name, you got to learn about their families etc.

This is why I keep bringing it back to my comparison of 2x. 2x has it's faults and flaws, sure, so does Curves. But part of why we all love 2x is how open and welcoming it can feel.

If having a ladies only gym is the best way to create this for women who want or need this in a gym environment, why is it bad? ... Is it that different than a regularly scheduled ladies night out, or any other 'ladies' events like church groups, etc?

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If having a ladies only gym is the best way to create this for women who want or need this in a gym environment, why is it bad?

Well, I don't think it necessarily is the best way to create that sort of environment. And like you said...

I think if it were men saying "hey lady-folk don't come here! Go to you're own space!" it would be totally different.

Yes, it would be seen as different. And I think many people would see it as unfair. Which is why I question the double standard.

Is it that different than a regularly scheduled ladies night out, or any other 'ladies' events?

I don't see a problem if a group of female friends want to just go out together. But I do see a problem when companies exclude half the population because of what chromosomes or genitalia they have, or how they identify themselves gender-wise. I think it can cause more problems than it solves.

[–]attakburr 0 points1 point ago

I'm not sure it is a double standard here though. My comment about the "Hey lady-folk don't come here!" is in reference to gyms that are claiming to be co-ed. Seriously my bad for not clarifying that.

Possibly an inflammatory example here, but buses that are supposed to serve the public, but then shove all the non-white patrons in the back... that's not okay. Gyms that are supposed to be co-ed then coerce, via unspoken pressure or whatever, genders into specific areas, that's a problem. ... Gym's that have gender-specific areas but welcome anyone in the main area--Awesome.

If there's a men's only gym, I have no problem with that. And there was a male equivalent of Curves, btw, they struggled to get the same membership and as a result, financial support and were about to fold when I left Curves way back in fall of 2005.

You do bring up a great point about genitalia and the definition of "woman" ... would a MTF Transgendered person be allowed to join Curves? I hope so. Like wise, I hope a FTM Transgendered person who's going through the process is still welcome.

I dunno, I guess I'm just having a hard time seeing where the foul comes in here (other than the transgender issue). The goal isn't to try and maliciously exclude any group, but create a positive environment for women. And membership is and always should be voluntary.

[–]paperclop[S] -1 points0 points ago

i agree. the reality is that it is really, really hard to get long-term, significant results with the equipment they have in curves, and many other women's only fitness facilities. you can lift 5 pound dumbells until the cows come home, but it's not going to get you fit.

[–]Jerri_Blank 6 points7 points ago

Imagine you're an obese woman who has decided to get fit. Do you want to go to the gym where people will leer at you, snicker or make snide comments? Or, would you prefer the gym that caters to exclusively to women and comfortably serves your demographic?

Not everyone has the same perspective.

[–]paperclop[S] 0 points1 point ago

okay, but then why aren't obese men given their own "male only" gyms where they feel more comfortable being a beginner at fitness? why do we assume that "women's only" gyms will somehow shelter you from snide judgements? i've always found women are more critical of physique than men anyway.

[–]EgregiousWeasel 2 points3 points ago

Probably because there hasn't been a demand for it. Women-only gyms are meeting a demand, if their success is any measure. These gyms are businesses, not government programs. Fairness really doesn't enter into it. My own experience with women-only gyms has been positive. The atmosphere was much nicer and more supportive, especially for beginners. Some of them choose to move on to more advanced exercise and get memberships at bigger gyms. Others decide they're happy with getting a less intense workout and stay. No, you're not going to win any fitness awards staying at Curves, but it's definitely better than getting no exercise at all. I just don't see what the issue is.

[–]buzzing_girl 5 points6 points ago

I've never been to a women's only gym. Honestly when I go to the gym I just go there, work out, leave. I don't notice anyone staring and really have never had any uncomfortable experiences. I enjoy a co-ed presence in my gym classes and actually prefer to be paired with a male in boxing class as they actually push me to work harder. The guys in the weight section are also helpful and showed me how to use the squat rack and I have never felt uncomfortable there. We are all there to get fit! I barely notice other people at the gym.

Single sex gyms might be desirable for others but I've looked at the classes and facilities at women's only gyms in the past and been disappointed. Single sex gyms - not for me.

I will add the most negative gym experiences I have had was nasty comments from another female so really female gyms are not some utopia. Females can be arseholes too.

[–]blue_lotion 4 points5 points ago

Years ago I belonged to a large gym chain in So California. For some reason they had the men's area and the women's area. The men's area had more machines and weights. 1/2 the women's area was an open floor for classes. Men couldn't take them.

I guess it's irrelevant to the discussion; I just haven't thought about it in a while. I really don't care who is around when I work out. If you want to start at me, my ass is your oyster.

[–]nowthisisawkward 2 points3 points ago

upvote for "my ass is your oyster". i will try to let that slip into everyday conversation.

[–]ninjaviolinist 1 point2 points ago

It's fitting for your username.

[–]sambojomo 5 points6 points ago

I think that if a woman is so insecure that she refuses to exercise in mixed company and therefor doesn't exercise, then giving her the option of being able to exercise in a segregated environment is great. I'm pro-exercise and pro-whateverworksforyou.

[–]loinbread 5 points6 points ago

Losing weight and getting fit is a very personal thing and some audiences can make you feel vulnerable. Women-only fitness centres exist because there is a demand for them.

[–]tiffanydisasterxoxo 13 points14 points ago

I'd prefer going to a gym where I know all the people are going through what I am and that understand what being a woman is like. Plus I don't want to have to worry about men staring at me sweat. Being in a female only gym just seems safer. If you want men to stare at you go to a coed gym.

[–]paperclop[S] 3 points4 points ago

but this is part of the problem. i don't want men to stare at me just because i'm at a co-ed gym, because OBVIOUSLY if i didn't want men to stare, then i'd be at the curves. this is an incorrect assumption! i want to work out in a co-ed environment and be treated with respect, even if i'm sweaty, even if i am performing exercises that aren't flattering. relegating myself and other women to single-sex areas isn't teaching disrespectful men anything.

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[–]littlebabycheeses 7 points8 points ago

Men hate it that I can run faster than they can. They really, really seem to despise it. I've had people seem close to cardiac arrest on treadmills next to me, glaring angrily at my machine's display. It's unfathomable to these guys that a woman should be able to out-perform them athletically.

I used to compete in track. I realise they don't know this, but somehow it still feels like an insult when they're insulted that some little girl can do better than them. Never mind that I have the body and form of an athlete. I find it ridiculously sexist that a guy 15 years older than me with a beer belly considers me pathetic enough that it's a massive insult to his person when he can't out run me. Am I, or is any woman, that pathetic that all men, by rights, should be better athletes, even if they are in far worse shape?

While I don't really care how hurt they are, I find the negativity tiring. There's a women's only room in my gym and I like to use it. No one stares or competes or is aggressive. And it's often virtually empty at busy times.

[–]coplandmj 10 points11 points ago

I'm not sure why this is being downvoted. I have very similar experiences of having men's insecurities taken out on me in gyms. I could, at one point, do 13 pull ups from a dead hang in a row. I kid you not, I was told this could harm my chances of conceiving. By a guy in the gym. This shit went on for years.

The closest I've ever come to thinking that a stranger was going to go mental on me was in a gym pool with a guy who hadn't managed to swim faster than me after 500m or so of trying. I mean, that sort of anger is scary. He went to say something a few times, spluttered obscenities, stared me down like I was standing there insulting his mother, announced he was "fucking done here" and got out. This happens. It can make working out with some men really unpleasant.

A good friend of mine represents the US at swimming (Athens 2004 was a highlight) and she's still told what to do by strangers in the gym.

The other quite nasty experience I had personally was being called a "bitch" by a male runner when I passed him on the road. So much anger. I repeat, this happens and it's unpleasant. I can fathom why working out with only women would be nice.

I find making exclusive areas for women problematic in some ways, but I also don't like being called a bitch or threatened because some guy was put out. Women can be competitive, but this stranger-aggression towards athletic women seems to come only from men. Having been a good swimmer since I was 12, I feel like my 16 years of experience with this means something.

[–]blue_lotion 3 points4 points ago

I came dangerously close to downvoting her out of pure, unadulterated jealousy. I then realized my shame and gave her my upvote.

[–]paperclop[S] 0 points1 point ago

personally, i find being able to outrun/outlift a man intensely motivating. and all the better if he pushes his beer belly a little harder trying to beat me... i've just done a social service!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

People stare, people judge. I have seen many women scan a girl up and down and pick her apart inside their head. Analyzing every part of the body. We all do this I don't believe it's gender specific

[–]tiffanydisasterxoxo 3 points4 points ago

I'll give you that, and sometimes women can be so much more harsh then men.

[–]natasha_six 2 points3 points ago

I go to a co-ed gym that also has a woman-only workout room with specially designed machines just for women. I work out in the main gym area, as I don't get bothered by what other people do so much. Most of the men there are very friendly to me, and never try to show me what I'm doing unless I ask. I do however get some pinched face looks from some of the other women there. I'm not that hot, nor am I that obviously trans, so I'm not sure what their problems are. I do kind of go at it with high intensity, but not all grunting and screaming, just lots of intense focus and sweating.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Yeah both parties can be brutal at times but with men more so it seems as if its a "hot or not?" kind of look but with many gals its a more analytical scan of the entire body and breaking down every single part that is deemed "negative" by them. It's frightening but if you are in a room its always very interesting to watch girls when a very attractive girl walks in. I can feel the tension

[–]tiffanydisasterxoxo 1 point2 points ago

For me wearing headphones and closing my eyes always does the trick. It would be easier if there were single exercise rooms. At a gym, judgement belongs not.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Yeah I get in a weird mental zone. I put on my music and just block everything out. Judgement shouldn't belong at gyms I agree. I do think that they are a ground that some people seek out mates too though so its a tricky thing. Negative judgment should not be there though

[–]blue_lotion 0 points1 point ago

It's not just men! I have found myself staring at a nice looking woman at the gym. I thought everyone did that on occasion.

:/ sorry if it was you.

[–]Cloudycandyx 0 points1 point ago

I'm guilty of that too, but I justify it by the fact that I'm admiring their athleticism and awesome butts.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

Men and women are just people. I don't get intimidated by exercising around men. I'm there to work out. So are they. So why care?

If you're really that worried about men and you'd be just as o.k. with the idea of men's only gym, then go ahead and go to a woman's only gym. I certainly won't stop you. But I do think that some of the fears and insecurities that lead to the popularity of women gyms should be closely examined. These are issues that need to be addressed individually and also at the societal level.

Also, I'm totally not cool with "women only" gyms that discriminate against trans women or gender queer people.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points ago

Wow to stereotype. First off, no they don't all stare. Second, women may stare, too. I'm bisexual. Should I be barred from women's only gyms because I might happen to stare at someone I find attractive? (Not like I try to stare, but sometimes it just happens.)

And you said it "just seems safer". Are you really worried about your safety at the gym because there are men around? That's really sexist. Most men aren't rapists or thugs out to get you. They shouldn't be treated as such. And, if someone is going to rape you, it's probably going to be someone you know. The chance of being raped by a stranger in a gym (where there's other people, security cameras, etc.) is just about zilch.

[–]tiffanydisasterxoxo 4 points5 points ago

WTH I never said anything about rape. I never said anything about being stared at because you're hot. By safe I don't mean "thugs" or "rapists" aren't going to hurt you, I mean it's just a more homey feel. I don't like the thought of men judging me as sweat runs down my fat rolls. Women are more in tune to what other women are feeling, about insecurities and everything like that.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

Yeah, it's not like any guys get bloated or gain weight or feel insecure about their bodies ever. /sarcasm

[–]tiffanydisasterxoxo 1 point2 points ago

You are aware that male and female emotions are very different right? Have you actually interacted with the opposite sex?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

No, they aren't "very different". Where do you get that idea? We are all human after all. And yes, I have interacted with men plenty. I've been married over a decade, dating another wonderful man, have plenty of guys in my family, and have many make friends. How about you? Where did you get your sexist stereotypes?

[–]tiffanydisasterxoxo 0 points1 point ago

men experience their emotions alot different than women. not every human feels the same way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

No not every human feels the same way, but that is because we are individuals, not male versus female. Things aren't as simple as the silly "gender binary" would have us believe. Look up genderqueer.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

Women are more in tune to what other women are feeling, about insecurities and everything like that.

Some women might be more in tune with what you as an individual are feeling, but then many won't be because we're not all mind readers of everyone our gender. And there are some pretty understanding guys out there.

Just personally, I find that men get me more than other women, but maybe that is the men I tend to hang out with. Unfortunately, it's my women friends that tend to make me more self conscious because of their own body insecurities that they want to go on about, not thinking that maybe it would be offensive to me (someone who is actually overweight) that they're complaining about being a size 2 on their "fat" days and acting like it's some sort of sin. For me, it's a relief to be around my guy friends who don't feel like going "Ewww! Cellulite!"

But again, these are about my specific friends. We're all just individuals after all. I certainly don't think all women are so obsessed with their own bodies or that no men are.

[–]tiffanydisasterxoxo 1 point2 points ago

No man knows how it feels to be on your period and bloated, unable to button the favorite pair of jeans. No man knows how it feels when you can't quite get your bra hooked one day. No man knows how it feels when that extra sandwich goes straight to your stomach. No man can honestly stand in a woman's shoes and know all the insecurities they feel. Yes women judge and are catty, but they know the insecurities you are facing because they are facing them head on. Good that your male friends love you enough not to point out your flaws, but strangers aren't like that.

[–]nowthisisawkward 2 points3 points ago

Plus I don't want to have to worry about men staring at me sweat.

but youre doing sports. thats what youre in a gym for. if you dont sweat youre not really doing it right. i was always a little worried about meeting guys from my college at the gym. i once did and we chatted a little and he told me he didnt care how i looked cause i was there to work out.

i get some weird looks cause i get a mean face when im lifting weights (im using 55 pounds and not 22 pounds like most girls at the gym and i cant concentrate and look cute at the same time. and even if i could it wouldnt be worth it) but i couldnt care less. im not going to the gym for "meatwatching" (love that term, sounds crap in english tho)

*edit: however, im trying to avoid the dbag area with the really heavy weights where the wannabe-bodybuilders train. i fear that i might catch douchebagginess.

[–]EgregiousWeasel 0 points1 point ago

however, im trying to avoid the dbag area with the really heavy weights where the wannabe-bodybuilders train. i fear that i might catch douchebagginess.

This is a really unfair statement. Some of those meatheads are really cool and supportive of beginners. Lifting heavy weights doesn't necessarily make you a d-bag.

[–]nowthisisawkward 0 points1 point ago

i have a couple of friends who do that too but seriously, it looks like my gym turned into the jersey shore over there.

[–]EgregiousWeasel 0 points1 point ago

That's not good. I think I've just had good experiences with lifting weights. I think I just found guys who are really excited about fitness and wanted to share what they knew, even if it was with a chubby chick nearing middle age. :)

[–]EllieTuttle 2 points3 points ago

I wish it weren't necessary - that we could have coed workouts that were still empowering for women, but the truth of the matter is a lot of women aren't comfortable working out with men. Comfort and solidarity will always come first in my book.

[–]Rose1982 1 point2 points ago

I prefer co-ed gyms... I like people watching and it's more interesting. Also, fitter people tend to be there (as opposed to overweight middle-aged women trying to get back into shape) and I find it more motivating to help me towards my own fitness goals.

That said I think there's definitely a time and a place for women-only gyms. Many women, i.e. the aforementioned middle-aged ladies, are simply too intimidated to be around a bunch of muscled heavy-weight men and if a segregated gym makes them more comfortable and allows them to achieve fitness goals, then great.

[–]RosieLalala 4 points5 points ago

Perhaps this is my region...

there are women here who will not work out in a mixed gym because it requires them to wear tighter clothing, or clothing that shows more skin, than they are comfortable showing (or able to show according to religious/social doctrines). Better to give the option of working out in a segregated space than none at all, no?

[–]paperclop[S] 0 points1 point ago

i've never heard of a gym that "requires" women to wear tighter clothing. my gym in fact has a "modesty" policy in the co-ed areas where tank tops are not allowed.

[–]RosieLalala 1 point2 points ago

Tighter clothing to what is worn on the street (a full dress as opposed to pants) are suggested. Pants are tighter than a full dress (you can see both legs!) In some places women don't wear pants, as a matter of course.

Generally speaking it's not a good idea to do something like a treadmill or elliptical with a skirt past your ankles - it could get caught.

[–]Jollysaur 6 points7 points ago

I think I would like a fatties only gym. Just so I wouldn't have to deal with fit people in the middle of my work out. It isn't nice to see the little girl next to me barely braking a sweat when I feel like I'm about to die of exhaustion.

[–]paperclop[S] 0 points1 point ago

well, most women over 30 will not be able to stay a "little" girl without breaking a serious sweat, several times a week. i hate seeing people that aren't trying/sweating in the gym, no matter what size they are. i'm smaller/fitter right now than i have ever been, and i didn't get here from strolling on a treadmill. those "little girls" will learn that one day too.

[–]Jollysaur 0 points1 point ago

Thank you! That just made my day.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Men and women are just people. I don't get intimidated by exercising around men. I'm there to work out. So are they. So why care?

If you're really that worried about men and you'd be just as o.k. with the idea of men's only gym, then go ahead and go to a woman's only gym. I certainly won't stop you. But I do think that some of the fears and insecurities that lead to the popularity of women gyms should be closely examined. These are issues that need to be addressed individually and also at the societal level.

Also, I'm totally not cool with "women only" gyms that discriminate against trans women or gender queer people.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

My gym has a women's only changing floor that I use. It also has a front desk (to get a locker key, like the other floors) and the attendee is a woman. I feel safer knowing that no man belongs there and will be showed out if they accidentally come through the door.

Also I like that women's only work out areas allow for women of different cultural backgrounds who normally aren't allowed to/accustomed to showing skin don't have to (in front of men). When I was living in Stockholm, where there was a large Muslim population, the women felt uncomfortable at the gym if they could not choose to segregate themselves.

Otherwise, for myself, I agree with you. It was difficult at first to work out in front of men because I really didn't want to be approached. Now that I am a regular I can say that 1. men don't approach me as much as I feared, which was also empowering and enlightening to know and 2. if and when they do, I am very comfortable saying no (or yes! - though that hasn't happened..).

[–]mandano 0 points1 point ago

I think women just don't want to feel like they're being looked at and judged by men while they're excercising and/or not looking very good. It is women's fault that "the male gaze" is basically the default perspective of society?

[–]paperclop[S] -2 points-1 points ago

It is our fault that it's the default perspective if instead of throwing a guy a dirty look or telling him to stop being a douche, we hide in our womens-only areas. Are we really that worried about what a man's going to think of us because we're not looking absolutely perfect?

What if we all decided to not go out at night because we were too afraid of being assaulted or annoyed at being harassed? What would that make us except for victims that meekly accept our fates?

[–]mandano 0 points1 point ago

Don't do reducto absurdism. If some women feel more comfortable exercising without guys around, then they should be able to. If you want to excercise in a co-ed space, you go right ahead. I never said that the hang-ups some women (or guys) have are good or healthy, but that shit is hard to combat, and getting rid of female-only work out spaces won't help. If you want to "fight the good fight" (I don't know if you can call it that), then go ahead, but you can't force other people to not do things that make them comfortable. Shooting guys dirty looks will not stop them from being sexists

[–]janewoe 0 points1 point ago

Personally, I am more insecure about being judged by other women than by men at the gym.

However, I respect that some people prefer to work out with their own gender. Men also might want the gym to be a "boy's club" filled with machismo and testosterone, and if that's what they want, I would not be opposed to an all-men's gym and an all-women's gym.

I would be very opposed to FORCING people to always work out only with their own gender though.

Gyms and the related markets should just provide the options. Let people work out where they want to.

[–]distopiandreamboy 0 points1 point ago

As a guy, I haven't gone to the yoga classes at my gym for the exact same reasons. I love yoga, but as soon as I walk into the class I feel like I'm violating some invisible boundary. I just don't feel welcomed at all.

[–]peachbot 1 point2 points ago

I don't want to deal with tackling the issue head on or teaching men that I'm just as good and can work out here, too. I just want to get my shit done and get out. I'm not at the gym to teach manners to beasts.

[–]Baaabydoll -5 points-4 points ago

It's boring, I like working out with men. I don't see the point in segregating ourselves when it's actually more entertaining to work out with men.

[–]botanicas 7 points8 points ago

so wait, working out with women is boring? are you boring or something?

[–]Baaabydoll -3 points-2 points ago

women aren't as challenging to work out with, I work at a gym and the majority of them stick to cardio, light weights and classes.

[–]botanicas 5 points6 points ago

fair enough, i never really thought working out had anything to do with comparing your workout regime to someone else's...

[–]Baaabydoll -2 points-1 points ago

When working out with another girl who only wants to do 30 minutes of cardio as an entire work out (which is my warm up)... it gets irritating. When working out with men they're able to keep up with me as well as challenge me to keep up with them.

[–]reeksofhavoc -2 points-1 points ago

I think the term is stupid because when I see chick lifting five pound weight 30 times it makes me wanna hurl.

There is no reason why a woman cannot life a 30 pound plus weight properly.

Total bullshit.

I did work out at a gym that had a womans section. It was kind of nice because no dude could come up and hit on me.

Unfortunately to get to the tanning beds you had to go through the womens area. One time I saw a guy mackin' on a chick on the treadmill and I wanted to walk up to her afterward and say - Hey this is the womens section for a number of reasons.

Most people really don't get shit like that. Those two did not.

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[–]paperclop[S] 0 points1 point ago

women physically can't bulk up without taking testoterone or other seriously hardcore supplements. there's been about a billion studies to this effect. you will not bulk up lifting heavy weight. period.

[–]reeksofhavoc -1 points0 points ago

No it is glorified cardio.