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[–][deleted] 43 points44 points ago

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Knowing how to make a cookie and what goes into it doesn't make it any less delicious! :)

[–]BoxyBoxster 7 points8 points ago

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Very Taoist of you, I'm overwhelmed by the profound but simple wisdom

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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:D

It's actually not mine; I read it somewhere a while ago.

[–]Treees 1 point2 points ago

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What if you found out your favorite cookies were made with unfertilized chicken embryos?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I'm also concerned about dihydrogen monoxide in my pipes.

[–]tintinnabulant 1 point2 points ago

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Om nom nomelette.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points ago* 

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I see it exactly the other way round. It find it incredibly fascinating.

[–]MayaKarin 5 points6 points ago

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exactly! It isn't the whim of some crazy bearded fellow that makes you right or wrong for someone else - it's intrinsically inside of you. I think it's wonderful!

[–]runamok 4 points5 points ago

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[–]throwaway4227 1 point2 points ago

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It also makes it easier to get over relationships.

[–]psychminor01 3 points4 points ago

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What's really cool is scientists can put you in a certain situation and inject you with some chemical (like adrenaline) and ask you what emotion you're feeling. While varying the situation and keeping the chemical the same, people report different feelings. So the same physiological reaction could be identified as fear, excitement, infatuation, etc; depending on the scenario.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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So we COULD be in the matrix like... right now?

Bye, gonna bend spoons.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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That is really cool. So I guess it depends on the interpretation!

[–]psychminor01 4 points5 points ago

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Follow up. I had a psych teacher who was lecturing about this and he told us a story.

He was taking a girl on a first date and things were going just so-so. They went to dinner and a movie; then decided to get some coffee on their walk back to the dorms. She said to make sure it was decaffeinated because caffeine really messes with her. He said sure, and went and got the coffee. Well, on the walk back she was really starting to warm up to him! She even commented that she usually didn't feel that way on a first date. He was surprised to get a second date as well. It wasn't until later that he noticed he was drinking the decaffeinated coffee, and she had gotten the regular.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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That's hilarious! I guess it did mess with her.

[–]victory3108 11 points12 points ago

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you should know, not all science is correct conclusive or complete. I'm a biologist and the realization that science is often wrong initially blew my mind but it happens all the time. This article also doesn't explain why people fall in love with each other, only what happens when they do.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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This 100x.

Shit is constantly being proven wrong by new evidence or new theories. Just because the latest theory proved something to be a certain way doesn't mean that it is the truth. Science is more a way to find understanding rather than a way of determining truths.

[–]katethefabulous 1 point2 points ago

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yep. Science is always being redefined. Doctors used to think that a womans uterus would literally atrophie if they went to college.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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That's absurd! I feel like it might have been a "study" to keep women from going to college.

[–]Salif[!] 0 points1 point ago

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No science is conclusive or complete, not physics or mathematics which are the most concrete. Especially not biology, which is one of the most "fuzzy" sciences. (I'm not saying this to be insulting, its just true, its incredibly difficult to have a thorough and fundamental knowledge in such a varied field with an unending number of variables) We don't even know why Tylenol works :P

[–]chem_vixen 2 points3 points ago

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Depends on your perspective. As a chemist IRL, I really think the chemistry behind falling/being in love is very interesting and intriguing. One of the things I find most interesting is the subliminal role that smell plays in being attracted to someone. I learned about it not too long ago and it's just interesting because it just goes to show how these things happen and we aren't even aware of it.

[–]Rhode 8 points9 points ago

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There's no such thing as fate. Love is all about the way two people treat each other, their decisions in life and the commitment they make to each other. Their is no authority higher than the person you choose to spend your life with, and we each create our own destiny in making that choice. Chemical reactions and hormones might explain why we love, but it does not dictate who or how. We decide for ourselves who we share our lives with.

Each of us enjoys free will, the ability to build a future of our own choosing. Destiny and free will are mutually exclusive, why would anyone want to be a slave to fate?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Your post is very eloquent, but I think a lot of studies have shown that science can explain some factors that go into why we choose who we do. For example, you fall in love with people who are like your parents, the pheromone theory, the matching hypothesis of psychology, etc.

[–]DOGA 1 point2 points ago

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For example, you fall in love with people who are like your parents

Oh fucking hell no. Which studies mentioned this?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Hmmm I read about it a while ago but here's a link to something similar.

I haven't really found it to be true.

[–]dogboat 1 point2 points ago

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I remember reading that if a woman had a good relationship with her father she'd try to find a guy similar. The same was not true if they had a bad or distant relationship, though. That made me feel better.

Don't remember the study or how accurate it was, though.

[–]Rhode -1 points0 points ago

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Those things explain attraction, but commitment is a conscious decision. Yes, human psychology is incredibly complex and of course we can't control biological processes, but to say that we're not in control of our relationships is foolish, in my opinion. Chalking human behavior up to biology is counter-productive anyway. Yes, we're just animals and some of our behavior is deeply ingrained in our psyche, but we're also human beings and we fully possess the ability to rise above our programming and be accountable for our actions.

You're right, science can explain some of the factors that contribute to who we find attractive, but the course of a relationship between two people is decided by the choices they make and how they treat each other.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Alright, that makes sense. I thought you were saying you choose who you are attracted to.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Does our capacity for free thought free us from fate? Or is even that predetermined?

Does having biological limitations mean that we are fated for something?

[–]Rhode 0 points1 point ago

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I don't think we're fated for anything. Maybe there are statistical likelihoods and probable outcomes, but nothing is certain. I mean, I suppose we're all fated to search for food and shelter, and we're all destined to die in some way, but that's not really what we're talking about here.

Plus, isn't the question kind of irrelevant anyway? What if things are predetermined, what then? Do we just stop trying because the outcome is already decided? Are our limitations so significant that we we're doomed to just endlessly repeat the same mistakes as our parents, and their parents, and all our ancestors stretching back through antiquity? Are we just actors on a stage, forever playing out the same tired roles? That whole line of thinking is a prison. It's mental slavery, it's defeatism. Walk that path and you'll find no answers, only comfortable fairy tales about mystical forces guiding helpless people through their troubles. To believe in fate is impotence.

I am a living, breathing, sentient human being and I am free to interact with my environment and affect change within it. I possess self-awareness, and that awareness allows me to recognize the limitations of human behavior and rise above them. I am not helpless, I am empowered. I am not repeating the mistakes my parents made, I am learning from them. Because of those lessons, I'm not only growing on a personal level, but I am also part of the living, real-time evolution of our species. By participating in that evolution, we are affecting the biological limitations of our descendants, in the same way that our ancestors affected our limitations. The bottom line is simple: Our decisions matter, our legacies are real, and the future belongs to us, not us to it.

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[–]morris198 2 points3 points ago

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There's a great little conversation on the topic in the graphic novel, Y - The Last Man between the titular character Yorick and two women -- a scientist and an agent.

Scientist: "[Your monkey] isn't capable of love, Yorick. Trust me, after years of working with those things, I can assure you that capuchin [monkeys] are no different than other animals. All they care about is eating, screwing and sleeping."

Agent: "Huh, somebody never got a puppy when she was little."

Scientist: "My dog's name was Mister Doug, thank you very much. But I never mistook his 'loyalty' as anything other than old pack instincts."

Yorick: "So what, you think any motivations I ascribe to [my monkey] are just me imposing my emotions on him?"

Scientist: "Love isn't an 'emotion,' it's an abstract construct mammals assign to a biological imperative they don't fully understand. You're not pretending your monkey is like you... You're pretending you're not like your monkey."

[–]Salif[!] 1 point2 points ago

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Its mostly our intelligence/personality that drives who we are attracted to and why, for an almost incalculable number of chaotic reasons. I think its part of the amazing life that we are so fortunate to have, for whatever reasons. A "higher power" causing people to be together with an incredible failure rate is uninteresting and depressing. But the fact that in all this chaos you can find someone who you connect with on many levels in a deep and profound way, that's truly romantic, that's an ideal worth chasing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I find it interesting, but I still believe souls have something to do with it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Eh. For some reason whenever I hear that there is an evolutionary basis to some theory I take it with a grain of salt. It's all the rage right now so people will definitely pay more attention to it, but that doesn't make it any more true than some other theory on love.

Science is not.... an exact science. (ho ho ho) If you come up with a theory you will find evidence to make it work, but the evidence could even support another theory. And theories are CONSTANTLY trumping previous ones so science is more of a constant flow of theories than THIS IS THE TRUTH kind of thing.

While it's fun to think that all our thought are just chemicals, can a few chemicals really create this kind of diversity in thought? Well, stripped of everything, yes, that is what they do but there is also your... you-ness.