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sambojomo 9 points10 points 6 months ago[-]

If you're not happy with how you look then change it. That doesn't make you skinny obsessed or mean that you have an unhealthy body image, it means that you like how you look at a specific weight. The only problem that I see with your body image is that you're focused on your weight, which is not really relevant. If you're exercising then you'll be building dense muscle tissue and losing fat. Changing your fat/muscle ratio should be more important than worrying about the scale.

I've also always been naturally thin but I put on some weight in the past year, and even though I think my new B cup looks great, I'd like to not put on 10 pounds every year and end up obese by the time I hit 30. So I started working out more and cutting back on my sweets for the first time in my life. I lift weights and run three times a week as well as riding a bike as my main mode of transportation and my weight is staying about the same but my body is changing in wonderful ways. I'm stronger, getting better muscle definition, losing the little pockets of fat that were developing on my belly and thighs, and I'm losing inches off of my body everywhere. I look better than I ever have before in my life and I weigh more than I ever have in my life too.

HungLikeJesus 4 points5 points 6 months ago[-]

If you're exercising then you'll be building dense muscle tissue and losing fat. Changing your fat/muscle ratio should be more important than worrying about the scale.

Exactly. I'd suggest getting measured regularly by someone with calipers, so you can see how your body fat percentage changes as you exercise. It's possible for your weight to stay steady, even if your fat is turning into muscle to make you look dynamically different.

countingchickens [S] 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

I should check with my gym and see what I'd have to do (or if I'd have to pay) to get a BMI check.

HungLikeJesus 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

You don't want BMI - that's just height by weight, so it doesn't tell you anything about your body composition. What you want is bodyfat percentage. They sell scales that measure it, but they're not terribly accurate. Better is calipers (done by someone who knows how to use them correctly). There are more accurate ways than calipers too, but they tend to be expensive, and you probably don't need that much accuracy.

countingchickens [S] 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

oh, I thought BMI was the term for what the calipers measured. Thanks for clarification, and I'll talk to my gym!

sambojomo 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

A BMI is almost completely irrelevent and you can do one online for free. It's just a simple height weight ratio.

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

Oooo mine is 20.1! Fascinating.

countingchickens [S] 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

You're right about the not focusing on weight bit, but I should say also that I gained a clothing size or two (depending on how a particular line sizes). I can't fit into my old clothes, and the new C-cups I'm carting around make my old preferred low-cut styles look risque on the new me... Keeping in mind a fat/muscle ration is a better place to focus though, I agree. I wouldn't care what I weighed if I could fit in my old clothes! I am still keeping them around, although maybe I should give them away, I might never fit in them again.

zjtihmm 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

My cousin and I always say, "Jeans never lie." She and I don't use scales to grade our weight loss/gains, but our jeans, haha. It works!

Sommiel 3 points4 points 6 months ago[-]

Healthy body image comes from feeling good in your own body. Are you comfortable? Does your body do the things that you want it to? Are you fit?

Small boned/big boned aside, most of us creep up in weight as we get older. What is important is keeping the machine running in peak condition.

countingchickens [S] 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Healthy body image comes from feeling good in your own body. Are you comfortable?

Nope. That's the biggest thing that bothers me. I just want to make sure my goals match what's healthy for a 30's woman, not the figure I was used to in my 20's that would probably be unrealistic to get back to now.

Sommiel 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Did you have a kid? That will wreak havoc on your body...

countingchickens [S] 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

nope, just a big change in lifestyle. I'm a grad student, and went from running around constantly teaching and going to classes (and walking a half hour each way to and from school) to working on my dissertation, which means sitting at my desk for hours every day and not having to go to campus much. I also moved in with my (very supportive) boyfriend around the same time, and I've heard that tends to cause weight gain too!

JamEaterBlues 5 points6 points 6 months ago* [-]

You shouldn't have to just "deal" with being heavier because you are getting older and putting the weight on. It sounds like what you have been doing is positive and healthy. It's not unhealthy to be unhappy about weight gain, especially when it's abnormal for you. The problem with the whole "anti weight obsession, it's okay to be fat" movement that seems to be popping up in modern feminism is that it is also pretty weight obsessed, and is often interpreted by others as "go ahead, keep gaining weight...but you are still pretty and special...there is no need to take care of your body at all, because being fat is still healthy!!! Wanting to be fit=wrong, and fat=right."

We see overweight people as "average" in our culture because western countries like America and Europe have adapted to a very unhealthy relationship with food and fitness, but that doesn't mean that we should all be rolling to accept it for ourselves.

The bottom line is if you find your weight gain troubling, don't be complacent just because you feel ashamed about caring about what you look like, and you shouldn't be guilted into feeling like being overweight is attractive or right for you. You don't have to just accept your weight gain. Also, a well balanced diet and regular exorcise is a very positive thing that not enough people bother embracing. You will be doing your body a favor for the rest of your life by putting in that kind of effort into it now. 140 sounds like a great goal.

countingchickens [S] 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

The bottom line is if you find your weight gain troubling, don't be complacent just because you feel ashamed about caring about what you look like

I do feel weird about caring about my looks, it feels so vain... But thanks, and you're right - focusing on health shouldn't be embarrassing.

satinbird 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

Don't feel vain! There's a line between vanity and wanting to look decent.

[deleted] 5 points6 points 6 months ago[-]

I've gotten a bit chunky after 30 and honestly I don't care. I exercise to feel good, not to look good. I think there is far too much obsession about looks and weight in western society. As long as you feel healthy you are healthy in my opinion. I can still admire women (and men) who look very well trained. One of my best friends do. But she loves training more than anything and I know what extreme amounts of work she puts in to it. I've just made other priorities in life and I'm fine with that.

If you can't accept that getting older means changing mentally as well as physically I think you'll have an emotional breakdown sooner or later because change is unavoidable. Getting old is natural and it's a journey we should enjoy instead of wasting it on obsessing about a little bit of fat or a couple of wrinkles.

TLDR: Exercise to feel good, not to look good.

sambojomo 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

Not looking good can often cause people to not feel good

temp9876 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

Not feeling good can often cause people to not look good

[deleted] 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Yeah it seems to me that happens too often though. In most cases the only person judging you is yourself, and unless you have good reason to do so (health risks) you might as well just skip it.

sambojomo 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

If that works for you then that's great. For other people looking good is important to them and there is nothing wrong with that. For me, I feel my best when I look my best and vice versa.

[deleted] 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

As long as you're happy I'm happy. I'm not judging you, just saying that change is something that happens and that it seems to me like people often worry too much about it.

pax_mentis 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

This is something that's been on my mind too - at times to an unhealthy degree (for awhile I felt like I focused on my appearance to a degree where I risked getting a legitimate eating disorder) - although I think I've reached a healthier point. I think if your main goal is health over aesthetics and you know that, you're probably good to go.

I can relate somewhat in that I'm also one of those people who can appreciate thin or curvy girls as long as they look healthy, and yet I feel best myself when I'm on the thinner side. I was very thin growing up no matter how I ate and also associated that figure with me. I gained 20+ pounds in the first two years after starting birth control and college (I'm sure they both contributed), and that was much less healthy on my frame. In the past several months I have been on a health kick, attempting to revamp my lifestyle. I took out most of the unhealthy foods I ate, changed my portion sizes, took out soda, started exercising, etc etc. I'm at a healthy weight now, but wouldn't mind losing a few more pounds if I stayed feeling good.

140 lbs sounds like a healthy goal for you, and I don't think you should feel somehow skinny-obsessed for having it as long as you're willing to lose that weight at a healthy rate (~1 lb/week). The unfortunate thing about changing your lifestyle (eating and exercise habits) to be healthier is that initially you are going to have to focus more on it; eventually it should become automatic, though. The more automatic it becomes for me, the less obsessive I get about it, and the healthier I feel mentally. Being healthy physically is important too, though (especially long term!), so I'd say putting up with the slight obsessing for a bit is worth it.

Good luck balancing it all - I'm sure you'll get it right. :)

tl;dr: I can relate; keep it focused on health over appearance and you should be fine.

countingchickens [S] 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

Thanks - I hope it levels out for me too, and stops feeling like an obsession and starts feeling like a habit!

cl3ft 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Unfortunately it is very dificult to change what makes you feel good about yourself. If looking slim and healthy affects how you feel about yourself then a healthy weight is not just a BMI measurement or a number of lbs/inches, it is a mental health issue too. Be the weight that makes you happy with your self image.

Radeberger 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

I don't know if it's healthy, but at least it works. I only feel good about myself when I stay slender. When I exercise and eat healthy, I feel good. If i don't exercise and eat unhealthy I start feeling fat and disgusting. I know i'm completely buying into the thin tyranny, but it's much easier to maintain the figure I feel good with than to try to change my own perceptions of how I should look. I plan to stay fit and slender for the rest of my life. Wrinkles, gray hair and general misery is enough to deal with.

kabochahead 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

WEIGHT TRAIN. And lift heavy. Seriously. It will do wonders for your body comp, but that becomes secondary to how strong it makes you feel both physically and mentally.

I've had tough battles with everything body-image related, and weight training singularly redefined for me what I want my body to be (strong and healthy). I'd imagine kickboxing/martial arts would produce similar results, but I don't have any experience with either. Either way, you can refuse to participate in "skinny-obsession" and still focus on your body. Start with acceptance, then line up your goals.

GodzillaFirebox -5 points-4 points 6 months ago* [-]

"I'd like to get back to about 140 - I'm 5'8" but my family runs small-boned and very willowy, so 140 is a healthy goal."

Wait wait, you're trying to convince us that 140 at 5'8" is healthy instead of underweight? Of course it's not underweight, it's a chunky weight unless you're seriously muscular.

I started losing weight at 140 and I'm 5'7" because I was sick of my gut and man boobed flat chest.

I'm 5'7" at 125 now and I'm medium-framed, so being small-boned and willowy would mean you could probably go to 125 just fine, perhaps even 118.

temp9876 4 points5 points 6 months ago[-]

Of course it's not underweight, it's a chunky weight unless you're seriously muscular.

Wow, way to be judgmental. By the way, that is grossly inaccurate.

GodzillaFirebox -2 points-1 points 6 months ago[-]

It's not judgmental, it's honest.

And it is very accurate seeing as I'm a great example of the weight.

temp9876 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

No, you're not. You're light for your size, the 18th percentile or lower depending on your age. The example that she gave of 140lbs at 5'8" which you called chunky is actually in the 23rd percentile for a woman in her 30s, significantly smaller than average. So it is very judgmental for you to jump in here and call her target weight 'chunky' just because you are slimmer than average. Calculator

countingchickens [S] 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

I've been meaning to say thanks for your input - GF's comments actually threw me off a little, and I started thinking I might be totally misjudging what was healthy for me. I really haven't done a ton of research into 'norms', since I never used to think about this at all. I appreciate the evidence you brought in.

temp9876 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Glad to help, I can't stand women calling anyone bigger than them fat.

GodzillaFirebox -2 points-1 points 6 months ago[-]

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

At 5'9" a person is in the normal weight range from 125-169 pounds. Since you are small boned and willowy, you would probably be in the 125-130 range.

countingchickens [S] 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

The point of this post was about coming to a place of healthy balance. I really don't see how your repeated criticisms of the goals I've set for myself, based on my experience of over 30 years in my body and after I've explained why I think they're right for me, are helpful at this point.

If you have anything else to add - apart from how I'm misreading my own body - I'll be happy to hear it.

GodzillaFirebox -1 points0 points 6 months ago[-]

Average in the United States is fat.

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

At my height, 5'7", a normal weight is 118-159. At 140, I had a serious gut, and at 125, I am normal. I am medium-framed, and as I said, the OP has a smaller frame than me, so 140 for her will look even larger.

Since when is giving an honest opinion AND evidence judgmental? Sheesh.

temp9876 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Her goal was not average, it was the 23rd percentile.

At 140, I had a serious gut

You took your opinion about your appearance and made a judgment about the appearance of her body. That is being judgmental.

a normal weight is 118-159

That means that the farther to each extreme you get the less 'normal' you are. So you might still be 'normal' at 118 but 140 is actually more 'normal' because it is closer to the centre of the range. You are one person, your opinion of your figure is not evidence.

countingchickens [S] 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Maybe. When I weighed 130 my friends told me I looked too skinny, and sometimes strangers would too (which is very rude, but that's neither here nor there...), and I admit that my arms sometimes looked a little scary-thin. I was biking and dancing a lot, so had very low body fat, and as others on the thread have pointed out, that changes what the weight looks like.

Maybe I shouldn't have included numbers, since that seems to be distracting from what I think of as the real issue, but I thought some concrete detail would be useful. And oops - I'm actually 5'9", didn't notice the mistake until now. But no, for me, at least when I was muscular, 140 would not be chunky at all. I'm a little chunky at 150.

sambojomo 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

I used to get that a lot too, people commenting on my weight or eating habits because I am thin. Once when I was 12 or so a daycamp counselor had a serious talk with me about my 'eating disorder'. I was like "wtf bitch, shut up I want to go play". I've always been skinny and active and at 12 my brother and I went through almost a gallon of whole milk a day, we were not lacking in food. I used to get self conscious about ordering healthy meal options because I was afraid that people would think I was anorexic when really I just wanted some damn vegetables.