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[–]couch-lock 28 points29 points ago

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I can relate to a lot of these things. Interesting to read.

[–]c_broads 20 points21 points ago

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this. you hit the nail on the head man. thank you.

[–]yourblackluck 11 points12 points ago

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I found this very interesting, thanks a lot for writing it. One question though: did you find that some of the cognitive effects of the drug abated through continual use? I find (especially after having not smoked for a while) that a few good hits will completely obscure my sense of logic and will render me pretty much dysfunctional. However it seems as though there are plenty of people who smoke often yet do not report this sort of mental obfuscation, and are capable of living a fairly 'normal' life. If it is the case that there is a tolerance to this effect, how does it scale in proportion to the tolerance for the other effects of marijuana (e.g., analgesia, euphoria, sedation, etc.)?

[–]jrodism[S] 13 points14 points ago

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Absolutly, when I first started consuming Cannabis it absolutly floored me. I found myself totally mindfucked, filled with euphoria and unable to function. However, within a few months of weekly-bi weekly use, I found I developed an experiential tolerance to the effects.

When I became a heavily daily smoker, it had absolutly no impressive cognitive effects. Often I would feel it had no effects at all. I certainly thought in different ways, but it was subtle and hard to pinpoint till I stopped. What I mean is, it simply became my second state.

I'd have my sober state, and my stoned state. And becuase I spent more time in Stoned state than my sober state, I can't really say there were any effects, becuase it was my norm. Becuase sober had drug effects for me.

For me, once I got over the initial buzz, Marijuana never made me dsyfunctional. I used to mull up a gram, make myself a pot of tea, and smoke away as I wrote essays for uni. I never found it to mess with my logical functioning, or to make me lazy. I used to go for runs when stoned, and loved lifting weights high.

However, I have friends, who, even after years of heavy use, still became 'dsyfunctional' and illogical when they smoked. I think Cannabis is a remarkably versatile drug, depending upon the individual smoking it.

As it became more and more my norm, the sedative and euphoric effects absolutly diminished, and they have never come back. after 12 months of not smoking, I smoked a joint, and still just slipped back into my old 'norm' state, without euphoria or strong psychedelic effects.

Thanks for your response

[–]OnTheBorderOfReality 3 points4 points ago*

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after 12 months of not smoking, I smoked a joint, and still just slipped back into my old 'norm' state, without euphoria or strong psychedelic effects.

That's very peculiar. Kinda makes me wonder what long-term effects marijuana has on the mind.

[–]soundslikebreakfast 3 points4 points ago

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It's been two years since I've smoked regularly, and I can say that my stoned state is mostly dead... It comes back only if I smoke every day for a few days.

Great read by the way. Thanks a lot. I can totally relate to everything - also reminded me how much I forgot about when I use to smoke regularly.

[–]OnTheBorderOfReality 0 points1 point ago

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So you feel like your stoned state was like another person living in your brain?

[–]soundslikebreakfast 0 points1 point ago

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It's hard to explain and it's been a while since I've thought about it... But probably like a different perspective, because it's not an independent personality (doesn't talk to you or whatever). Just sort of a different way of seeing everything and as such, a different way of reacting and proacting to the world around you.

[–]OnTheBorderOfReality 0 points1 point ago

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I know exactly what you mean. I used it as a tool to see things differently.

[–]soundslikebreakfast 0 points1 point ago

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Can OP weight in though? I'd like to hear their thoughts.

[–]jrodism[S] 2 points3 points ago

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It certainly is not like being a different person: The difference is significant but became increasing subtle. All the sensory changes (increased sensitivity to music/food/comedy etc) disappeared with heavier use.

I would smoke a bowl. My mind would slightly detach. My thoughts would become slightly more lucid and my mind would wander more readily. The voice inside my head would become somewhat louder and my attention to my own absent minded thinking would increase dramatically. My thoughts would start to form gentle loops and what was inside my head seemed slightly more important than what was outside.

This ^ is the second state. Everything I described here became incredibly subtle with heavy use and I was so accustomed to it that it was as real to me as my sober state. In this state, there was no Euphoria or body buzz. It was all mental and intoxication provided no excitement or recreational value.

[–]yourblackluck 2 points3 points ago

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No sir, thank you.

One more question though. Would you care to speculate as to whether your apparent tolerance to the effects was physical (downregulation of cannabinoid receptors, etc.) or behavioral? Even though I still receive the 'full' effects of marjiuana, I sometimes feel less intoxicated than my first few dozen times, simply because I have been so familiarized with the stoned state that I can make (at least partly) rational use of my altered thought processes. You say that eventually marijuana never messed with your logical functioning, perhaps you had just learned what to do (mentally) while high to be logical?

[–]jrodism[S] 3 points4 points ago

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Yes, I do believe that it is a mixture of both physical and experiential tolerance.

Physically, I became able to smoke more and more, for basically the same effects. When I took that hit 12 months later, it took a fraction of what it used to to get me high. However, once high, the high was exactly as it used to be.

If i smoked more, i just became agitated and anxious.

I think the majority of it was behavioural: i feel it has to be for me to still get that same high now, with no physical tolerance.

[–]soundslikebreakfast 1 point2 points ago

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Ya agitated and anxious - iknowthatfeelbro.jpg

[–]blue_one 2 points3 points ago

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It is definitely partly behavioural. You can train yourself not to be lazy while on pot. You might think it's impossible to get off the couch, but as soon as you realise that's just a mental effect and all you have to do is stand up, it's possible.

[–]soundslikebreakfast 0 points1 point ago

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I would put off doing dishes, cleaning the house, running errands that didn't require sobriety for when I got high so I could stay productive.

[–]MistyMountainHop 0 points1 point ago

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I think that's quite accurate. I've never felt the same kind of sensation that I enjoyed the first few times I tried it, even though I've gotten much higher on occasions since then. While physical tolerance definitely impacts heavy users, experience is a very important factor.

[–]AlecSchueler 2 points3 points ago

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Why did you decide to stop? (Sorry if you've already mentioned this and I missed it)

[–]jrodism[S] 8 points9 points ago

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I kinda skimmed over that because I didn't know if it would be of any interest to anyone.

Primarily, I experienced regular anxiety and had a tendency to overthink various aspects of my life: particularly social. I was noticing a pattern whereby an event would occur whilst sober. I would later get high and overthink the situation, go to bed and then wake up anxious. I believed Cannabis was playing a big part in that morning anxiety. I realised circular thoughts were affecting me negatively, although I don't believe they are necessarily negative. They used to be largely positive. But these days they are mostly negative.

Also, I was forming close friendships and new relationships and was finding I felt disconnected and cut off from these new people in my life because of how often I was high.

And i was just sick of it. Like I've previously mentioned, it stopped being as good as it was. It just became my second state, and I rarely experienced Euphoria or anything that made me think "im glad I'm high". I was getting high becuase I got high, that was what I did. As I mentioned: much of my life was planned around when I could get high, and I felt I needed that high to enjoy many things. I looked around me and went "how come these people have fun without this thing? They don't seem to miss it?"

It somewhat defined me socially, and many of my friendships were built around getting high. I'd spent months going "should i do this/yes I should/No I shouldn't" and I'd gotten sick of it. My head felt fuzzy and I needed a period of clarity.

I did not originally intend on stopping completly, just on taking an extended break. However, when that break ended and I got high again, I found myself going "well fuck this".

This sounds very negative, but I do not look down on Cannabis now. It effects everyone very differently, and it was great for me for a long time.

[–]OnTheBorderOfReality 6 points7 points ago

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I can relate, man.

Weed got really dark for me.

[–]c_broads 1 point2 points ago

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dig. i found myself majorly overanalyzing peoples words and actions and passing a kind of elementary judgement on them for it. i got really cynical and kind of looked down upon a lot of people.

[–]OnTheBorderOfReality 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, I think it's pretty common actually.

[–]faerch 0 points1 point ago

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This is just my story! Man, the morning anxiety was the worst, waking up, heart pounding. I would have no idea why and it actually took me a while to link it to the weed, but once I did, I immediately stopped. I already feel the effect of 'the stop'. One month, and it's surprisingly easy. It was just a decision, like stopping the weekly cocaine habit.

Thanks for writing this out. I have to share this with my still-smoking friends. I can definitely see some of their (and my) traits in your description. Upvotes everywhere!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Primarily, I experienced regular anxiety and had a tendency to overthink various aspects of my life: particularly social. I was noticing a pattern whereby an event would occur whilst sober. I would later get high and overthink the situation, go to bed and then wake up anxious. I believed Cannabis was playing a big part in that morning anxiety. I realised circular thoughts were affecting me negatively, although I don't believe they are necessarily negative. They used to be largely positive. But these days they are mostly negative.

Primary reason I quit amphetamine/caffeine and reduced my pot smoking to once or twice a week, tops. It became largely positive after quitting stimulants. I can relate.

[–]jrodism[S] 2 points3 points ago

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I'm glad people enjoyed this: is my first post.

I'm thinking of doing another one on my opinions of the acute effects of methamphetamine intoxication? People interested?

[–]mossyskeleton 0 points1 point ago

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Good "trip reports" are always interesting, in my opinion.

[–]OnTheBorderOfReality 3 points4 points ago

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Very interesting.

[–]kingofpoplives 2 points3 points ago

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I would add to this that when I quit smoking I started to dream much more and remember my dreams. I remember reading somewhere that cannabis stifles your ability to dream, and it definitely felt like the shackles had been lifted off my dream life, especially for the first couple weeks.

[–]jrodism[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I completly forgot about this one!

Indeed, cessation resulted in vivid, lucid and long dreams occuring every night. The intensity diminished with time but dreaming took some getting used to.

When smoking daily, I would remember my dreams maybe once or twice a fortnight.

When sober, I dream almost every night. Dreams can tell me plenty about myself: hints from the subconscious.

At first, I was baffled by dreaming, before I reminded myself "most of society gets this every night".

[–]faerch 0 points1 point ago

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Exactly, I often have a hard time telling dreams apart from real events. Since stopping I've been having the sickest dreams that I can control just before I fall asleep.

[–]Iliketowander16 1 point2 points ago

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I really enjoyed reading this, mkes me think about my use and how I notice some effects fading when I slow down my smoking like I have been lately.

Thanks for the read

[–]DwightDL 1 point2 points ago

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Great post. I've been trying to take a break for a while and this is making it seem much more appealing.

[–]aseaofgreen 1 point2 points ago

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this was fascinating. i've been a daily smoker for over a year, and i relate to a LOT of what you said. specifically, i have never spent a day with my best friends when we didn't smoke or take drugs of some sort. i definitely plan my day around smoking, and i've cheated on drug tests to avoid taking a break.

lately i've been wondering whether i smoke too much. the thing is, i have a lot of problems with anxiety, and instead of having anxious and agitated thought loops sober like i have my entire life, smoking calms them and 'frees' my mind from the anxiety

i think i'm going to keep an eye out for more negative symptoms, though, even though i can't imagine stopping right now!

[–]jrodism[S] 1 point2 points ago

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As i've said, I wholeheartedly believe Cannabis to be a remarkably versatile drug, and as such it's effect on me may be quite different from it's effects on you. I can only relate my experience for what it's worth.

I found often I would consider whether Cannabis had an effect on my anxiety levels and would find it impossible to reach a conclusion.

Often, when stoned, I would feel relaxed and at ease. Sometimes I would feel stressed and stuck in the thought loops. So I concluded that it had zero impact. If i was stressed, I'd be stressed stoned. If relaxed, relaxed stoned.

However, I noticed across a period of months that regardless of the effects I woke with anxiety if I had been smoking heavily the night before.

It seemed even if weed relaxed me and took my mind off things, those things just hid behind the door waiting till I was sober to come out again.

It was this realisation that brought me to the conclusion that regardless of its short term effects, Cannabis would only ever heighten my anxiety: through agitation, or through avoidance.

This being said: there are plenty of well documented scientific and anecdotal evidence to suggest that for many people, Cannabis can be used medicinally to treat anxiety and depression.

[–]aseaofgreen 0 points1 point ago

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thank you for putting so much thought into your replies.

cannabis is such a unique plant, and human neurology is so complex, that i don't think its effects on our emotions can ever truly be categorized. some people will smoke once, get sick, and never smoke again, and some people will cherish the plant for most of their adult lives.

i think that it is a much more complex drug than alcohol or tobacco, and can do a great deal of good or a moderate amount of harm.

[–]Chairman-Meeow 3 points4 points ago

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Found this very interesting. I'm a high school senior and I smoke about twice a day and have for nearly 6 months. I don't want to get a job where they drug test randomly a lot. I'm considering on whether I should get clean long enough to pass a single drug test and work at a grocery store, or if I should set my sights slightly lower and get a job at the flea market or the like so I won't have to quit. Some days I want to quit long enough to feel sober again. But I get bored easily and quickly and take another toke.

I'm also curious about your stoner's social theory. I think it's a number of things, but mainly I think stoners spend a lot of time planning on smoking, actually smoking, and being high. I think those experiences feel unique, even though they aren't, and the uniqueness of the experience/lifestyle makes you identify with other drug abusers. I also think personality plays a large role in drug experimentation/use/abuse. I think people who are involved in these things tend to be more thrill seekers, emotionally damaged, curious, willing to try new things, or disillusioned; in no particular order. (I probably missed a million personality traits, but it's late and those were off the top of my head.) edit: grammar/clarity

[–]jrodism[S] 6 points7 points ago

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I think you should be very wary prioritising your smoking as a major factor in deciding which job you want to do. Your gonna spend 8 hours a day at this job, and your happiness/contentment at that job is far more important to your general well being than any high, regardless of how much you like it.

That being said: if your having fun, enjoying your smoking and feel it is a treasured part of your life at this given time, then I understand your hesitation to let that go for the sake of a society that is trying to tell you what you can and can't do in your own time. I've had a huge amount of fun smoking, especially in high school, and I wouldn't trade that for anything.

But it sounds like your doing the i want to quit/i really enjoy it/ i want to quit' thing, which is characteristic of the circular thoughts created by Cannabis.

I would highly recommend taking an extended break (between 1 month and 3 months). It'll clear your head and when you get back to it, you'll get higher, have more fun, smoke a whole lot less and would've experienced a totally sober mind and therefore be much more secure in your smoking.

I agree on the personality aspect, but i don't know if I agree in the thrill seeking aspect. Many stoners I found are the opposite: weed is safe, easy and calm. Many stoners won't touch other drugs and won't try new things. THey just like smokin and chillin. I've actually found drug users who don't like weed are often the thrill seeking, new thing trying types.

I think emotional damage can play a part in habitual behaviour of any kind, though I do not believe it is a necessity. Cannabis is an enjoyable and very safe thing. Many rational, emotionally secure people are attracted to it for this very reason.

Human beings have a deep desire for transcendental states. Not just through drugs (through chants, rituals, meditation).This dates back as far as we know into history and I believe this desire is as deep as the desire for sex.

[–]Chairman-Meeow 0 points1 point ago

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I need a part time job for some extra funds. So avoiding drug tests is moderately high on the priorities. I wouldn't change a career path just to avoid drug tests, though I do hope I never have to choose.

And I feel you on the circular thought patterns. I've always been pretty indecisive so long as I can remember, but I sometimes wonder if it's my ambivalent personality or if it's the weed, or if it's a combo of both.

You're right about some stoners being afraid of other drugs. I had some surgery awhile back and got morphine drip in the hospital and scripts upon scripts of Lortab, so I have a bit of an affinity to small-time opiates. No one else is really interested in opiates besides the junkies. I'll have a few Lortab every odd month, but I'm the only one I know that uses opiates recreationally. I want to call them out for being scared of something so small, but I understand these things, unlike weed, can be physically addicting for many people so I don't ever say anything.

[–]fuss58 0 points1 point ago

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Didnt think I would read this whole thing. However, it was very interesting.

[–]Mr_Fractal 0 points1 point ago

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Great insightful read. Integrating into my subconscious as I type. Thanks for sharing!

[–]bjmshred 0 points1 point ago

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great post!

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point ago

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I read that entire thing. A lot of it was accurate for me as well, stuff I'd thought about. You've worded it better here though. Interesting.

[–]Gale34 0 points1 point ago

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I do not smoke all day everyday but for over the summer I did. I gotta say that I used to be a lot like that when I got high but now I still smoke once nearly everyday and its more chill. I used to notice a lot of things about my high and think about a lot of things that may not have mad much sense but now I just mellow out. I prefer it to my old high.