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[–]PublicStranger 14 points15 points ago*

It is not obvious when a guy is interested in me. I've gotten a little better at picking up on hints through years of experience (I'm 26), but I'm still inclined to assume a guy isn't interested if he doesn't express interest explicitly. Even flirting directly doesn't tell me much; plenty of people joke around with their friends by flirting.

I strongly prefer guys who are candid. But a guy who is expressing interest in me must not do it in a way that puts pressure on me; if he is expecting a "yes or no" now, then my answer will be "no". It takes time for me to turn it into a "yes"—but if I know he already likes me and is willing to wait (at least a little while) for me, it quickens the process.

I do not respond well to being told what to do. I have a meek personality, and I spent much of my childhood being ordered around. So now, when people tell me what to do, I bristle; I feel like I'm being treated like a kid, and I immediately want to rebel and eliminate that person from my life. (Note: This does not apply to sexual situations where I am already aroused.)

I do not claim to be representative of other women.

[–]MZago1 4 points5 points ago

I like your answer. When I was single, I was always afraid to make a move because flirting doesn't necessarily mean either party is interested in each other and I just always assumed the girl wasn't in to me.

[–]PublicStranger 5 points6 points ago*

When I was single, I was always afraid to make a move because flirting doesn't necessarily mean either party is interested in each other and I just always assumed the girl wasn't in to me.

Yep. I'm with you.

I spent so much of my youth wishing I were more attractive to guys, since so few of them approached me. The ones who did approach tended to be asshole sorts—they weren't interested in me and my feelings about all this; they just wanted to "conquer" me—while the guys I was nursing crushes on either didn't approach me at all (probably because they were going through the same thought processes I was and were too inexperienced to discern my attraction) or I just didn't take the hint because they hinted too gently. In the end, those guys usually just ended up with girls who were very outgoing and controlling and not like me at all—essentially, the female equivalent of the assholes who pursued me. There was a period of time that I fretted all decent guys were really only attracted to selfish or crazy girls.

Now, looking back, sometimes I want to smack young me in the back of the head. My dating life would have been so much happier if I'd just been a little more observant and a little less self-doubting. So many mutual crushes wasted. So many miserable dating experiences that could have been averted, if I'd just gone after the guys I liked instead of making do with the ones I didn't.

No doubt you've experienced similar.

[–]MZago1 1 point2 points ago*

You are correct, I've experienced similar, but it worked out for the better and I ended up with that quiet girl who never really dated too much. We'll have been together 6 years in March, but in 2 weeks she's getting something nice and sparkly for her left hand.

[–]juliannechat 0 points1 point ago

This is awesome news. Very best wishes to you both!

[–]juliannechat 16 points17 points ago

I am guessing your real question is: when a guy wants to move from interest to EXPRESSING the interest, what is most attractive for the guy to do?

First, you want to know whether we're laughing to ourselves. That depends on (a) whether we are empathetic or not, and (b) whether we're interested back. We might be laughing to ourselves ONLY if we were NOT A and NOT B. Each situation is unique.

I personally like your first scenario: a person with better pool skills than I have offers to teach me. If I'm not interested I can turn down the lesson. If I'm interested I jump at the chance, and if I'm not sure but the lesson is good (if you're a good teacher as well as a good player) it might help me get interested. So it's a good way to get to know each other better and sense the energy.

I don't like being "told" to go home unless we've already flirted a hell of a lot and we're pretending to be in a romance novel, like Scarlett O'Hara being carried up to bed by Rhett Butler.

I hope you'll get better advice than mine; I'm exhausted by worrying about the guy whose girlfriend's pals "hound" him. Number five in the corner pocket!

[–]serume 0 points1 point ago

I'm guessing his real question is "how do I open so girls (females) will have sex with me".

But I like the whole going from asking men about women to women about women, even though it's going to be used to use them.

[–]juliannechat 1 point2 points ago

Well I've heard that the "easiest" thing to do, if you just wanna have sex, is shout, "Who'd like to have sex with me tonight?" in a crowded bar. We could suggest THAT.

That doesn't sound at all fun to me, which is why I've never tried it. Pleasure is commensurate with effort, challenge, etc.

[–]serume 1 point2 points ago

Yes, but he's a PUA, they have rules and shit. And like to see themselves as smooth.

[–]juliannechat 1 point2 points ago

It took me too long to understand what he meant by "interested in you" - I thought he meant "interested in a relationship" but he meant "interested in sex, ideally within the next hour". Contributing factors on my end:

  • Very tired, very long day but couldn't sleep yet
  • A large percentage of the /r/askwomen/ questions are from people who feel they are "foreveralones" wanting to get into a relationship and the context misled me (Lesson To Self about shortcomings of own perception and decision making, move Kahneman's book up on list)

it's going to be used to use them

My dream is that all of us will have such awesome confidence and self-esteem that we will only allow ourselves to be "used" if we really like that energy.

he's a PUA

And his quick warm-ish reply got me to write more, as you saw. (And the writing was fun for ME as it's stuff I don't usually think about.) I do respect someone who obsessively practices his or her craft. "Anything that can save you a tenth of a second is worth six months' trial," as Modesty Blaise would say. @serume, thanks for the info-rich chat.

[–]serume 2 points3 points ago

Love the Modesty reference. She's been my hero since I can't even remember.

[–]selux[S] 1 point2 points ago

You're pretty good. Quick, lengthy response. Do you often write when you drink? Insightful as well...I guess I am asking which way portrays me in a more attractive light. The pool thing was just an example. A common bar scenario. But a romance novel? Life is better than romance novels.

[–]juliannechat 6 points7 points ago

Yes! Word! Romance novels are (imho) very bad guides to real life.

The classic romance novels needed some way to have a distance between the two protagonists. Then they would make sexual energy (lust, passion, whatevs) jump across that gap, so we readers could get off. The way the early ones made this happen, is that the GUY was SUPER MEAN for 90% of the book. Then it turned out that he was only acting weird because he had a mad wife in the attic and this put him in a bad mood (=Jane Eyre) or whatever, and he admits his love and ... hello?

In real life, someone who would be mean and moody and crabby like that (ALL THE TIME? without any explanation?) would NOT change over to being a fun or healthy partner that easily.

I guess I am asking which way portrays me in a more attractive light.

Here's what SENDS ME most often: the other party seeing me as an unique person and taking the trouble to actually listen or figure out what I like and do some small but awesome thing to show s/he knows me better than I thought s/he did. The TRICK is to do this without seeming stalkerish.

To begin, study Her. (To be "seen" is very moving - perhaps even sexy - in itself, when she realizes you did it.) Figure out something she'd like. Get out ahead of her and have that something waiting for her. Yes, it takes work (see examples below).

Re the fast writing, thank you for the compliment :). I am currently working as a professional editor, so I type fast. I haven't had the drink yet because I got caught up here - I have a bottle of liqueur on the table but the glass is across the room. Back to YOUR question, here are two examples. (I'm a lesbian now so these are women I'm talking about, but I've dated guys and the same mechanism worked for them.)

My current partner started a discussion group that she thought I'd be interested in. I totally was; I never missed a meeting. After six months she said, "One of the two main reasons I started this group was I thought you'd like it and I wanted to get to know you a lot better." Meltdown!

My previous partner studied everything she could about me and figured out that I had sort of a secret language and temporarily learned enough to be able to write to me IN it, the way nobody else ever had. I was speechless for awhile (and with me that's rare - ROFL).

Obviously, YMMV re what the people you're interested in would like...

Both of these cost effort rather than money: enough effort that I felt flattered (in a deep way not a superficial way) and decided to consider dating the people and that's how we got started. This is what I consider "really" romantic, and it's super impressive when someone takes that much of a deep interest. Aside from that, in terms of attractive, regular showers are the other important thing. Thanks for reading and I wish you fortune in all your quests.

[–]Requiem89 7 points8 points ago

I would say being told to go home with someone would be a complete turn off and possibly even cause for invective unless I knew you really well anyway.

Ordering someone you just met to go home with you in my mind isn't confident it either implies that you think the girl you're talking to is willing to sleep with someone they just met (which can be offensive to some women) or like you think that no woman could ever refuse you.

I usually find it fairly obvious when someone is into me however I wouldn't say that I would ever laugh at someone over it unless they were making a real fool of themselves showing off.

Ramble aside, what I'm getting at is that it kind of depends if you know the person in advance as to how you broach this question. If it's someone you know well, being upfront might be better; however I'd advise against telling women you don't know to go home with you because it could, at the very worst, end up being a sexual harassment case against you.

[–]juliannechat 8 points9 points ago

"Why don't you come home with me tonight?"

If you say it with a warm smile, sounding genuine ... could work!

Would work best on a woman who admits that she herself enjoys sex a lot and is adventurous and can handle herself. (Demo of short answer capability.)

[–]evange -1 points0 points ago

"Why don't you come home with me tonight?"

Would work best on a woman who admits that she herself enjoys sex a lot and is adventurous and can handle herself. (Demo of short answer capability.)

More likely to work on a girl with low self esteem and/or daddy issues.

[–]selux[S] 4 points5 points ago

What makes you say that?

[–]Tesatire 3 points4 points ago

In my experience, it is all about the chemistry first. Example story:

I was at this Halloween party one year. I show up and there are these two guys. One is dressed as Wolverine, the other as a super mario brother. They were obviously really close friends. Wolverine was sexy as can be, the other one not my type at all. Anyway, as the night progresses, Wolverine and I are getting flirty and I am being polite to his friend. Two rounds of them playing beer pong later, both guys are completely drunk. Sloppy drunks are never good. Especially since I was sober.

Now, my friend that invited me to the party (male-just friend) comes over to pry these two guys off of me. Thank heavens. I hang out with friend's gf for a bit when my friend comes back over. He is laughing.

He asks "Do either of them actually have any chance with you?"

I tell him "maybe, I hadn't decided yet."

My friend informs me that Wolverine told him that I WILL be going home with either him or his friend by the end of the night. Wolverine guaranteed it. At this point, I am completely no longer interested. Do not tell me what I am or am not doing. Besides, I don't know where the idea came up that the Mario Brother had any chance at taking me home.

However, on the other hand, I was once at a bar/club heavily flirting with this guy. Chemistry was fantastic, conversation was easy enough and he was technically working so he kept having to walk away, but he showed that he was eager to spend time with me. Things started great. At the end of the night, as my friends and I are preparing to leave he comes back and says something along the lines of "So, can I get your phone number and give you a call after I get off? I'd like for you to come over". easy, to the point, it was already heading that way so he got my number and almost a year of my time.

There is a good way and bad way to do everything.

[–]legal_beagle 2 points3 points ago

I would say be up front, but for me personally, being told to go home with you would generally result in a very loud "HELL NO" unless I knew you really well.

Why not frame it in a less-assholeish way, something along the lines of "Hey, I really like you/think we have some good chemistry/am interested and would like to see where this goes" or something along those lines? I don't think most girls would laugh at you (and if they do, get the hell away anyway) if you phrased it that way.

[–]Atiesh 5 points6 points ago

Up front. I don't like games.

[–]donut_think_so 2 points3 points ago

Keep in mind that whenever you go the upfront route, you put us on the spot, which can be stressful. When a girl is stressed out over the situation, she's probably not going be feeling too hot for you. Plus, abrupt propositions invite terse answers. Usually negative ones.

Personally, I can usually tell when a guy wants to have sex. This makes me appreciate any hints he's dropping even more. It's nice to see him make the effort, you know? Plus, if a guy gets behind me, showing me what angle I need in order to get that ball into the corner pocket, it can be kind of sexy. And if he's flirting, it's fun and it's going to make me like him more, and therefore be more likely to reciprocate his interest.

If I were you, I wouldn't be upfront with a girl unless you're already 90% sure she'll say yes.

[–]weareallfromearth 2 points3 points ago

I would rather that he express interest in me obliquely at first through veiled flirtation and getting to know each other; if at a bar, chatting and dancing perhaps. I'd rather that he express interest only AFTER having done that for a while - that allows me to feel like he wanted to go home with me not only because of my looks on first impression, but also because of a more personal connection after getting to know me a little bit. So, at the end of the night, or late into it, directly ASKING me if I'd like to go home with him, maybe after he's asked to kiss me verbally or nonverbally (I find the statement "I really want to kiss you right now" very charmingly honest and vulnerable and forthright.) But a little getting to know you first - give me some time to decide if I like you at all, because I don't sleep with people who are hot but unpleasant, and if you approach me out of the blue, I won't know if you're unpleasant and will presume you don't give a shit whether or not I'm unpleasant.

[–]zvaigzdutem 0 points1 point ago

Knowing a guy is really attracted you, as long as you have some baseline level of attraction for him and he doesn't express it creepily, is HOT. It boosts confidence and (in my case at least) increases my own attraction to a guy.