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Are unattractive people actually attracted to their unattractive partners? (self.AskReddit)
submitted 9 months ago by ordinaryradical
Or are both partners settling? I realize long-term relationships are (sometimes) more complex than this, but you've got to start somewhere, no?
[–]yeahright 190 points191 points192 points 9 months ago
This may not answer your question but it's another perspective.
My husband was quite good looking when we married. Now he's nearly 300 pounds. I was pretty hot, too. But I've gained 50 myself. (Luckily I was very skinny to start and I carry a lot in the boobs.) Also, we're not ancient yet, but he's got some gray and I've got some lines when I smile that weren't there before.
It's been a long time. This didn't happen overnight. There was no "Oh shit! He's no longer attractive!" line that suddenly got crossed.
I love him and he's great as a father, we share interests, same sense of humor etc. Also, sex doesn't stagnate if you both put forth even a minimum of effort by trying something new or at least slightly different every so often. Thus, he and I each know exactly what to do (and not do) for the other's maximum enjoyment.
Yes there are times I come across an old picture & then glance at him and think "Dayummm...wtf happened?" I'm sure he has those moments too. More often I see him with the kids and I might not think "he's soooo hot" but I do think "that's just adorable." A different type of attractiveness, but it still makes me want to go over and love him up. And hugs and cuddles can still lead to sex. No need to play grabass all the time.
So yes, I'm attracted to him, and I believe he still is to me.
TL;DR you don't always start out unattractive; sometimes, you get old.
[–]SayHiToForever 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago*
Great comment, "no need to play grabass all the time" made me crack up.
edit: spelling
[–]mmmTurkeyLeg 482 points483 points484 points 9 months ago
Any girl immediately becomes slightly more attractive if she is willing to have sex with me.
[–]an_actual_baby 251 points252 points253 points 9 months ago
i immediately question any woman's judgement who is willing to sleep with me, thereby making her less attractive.
[–]science_is_real 196 points197 points198 points 9 months ago
Yeah I agree, there's something wrong with a woman who wants to have sex with a baby. Especially an actual baby.
[–]NeoSolid 16 points17 points18 points 9 months ago
Unless the baby is actually a genetically engineed clone of a 25 year old Clint Eastwood.
[–]bleeeker 35 points36 points37 points 9 months ago
"I would never want to belong to any club that would have someone like me for a member."
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
i call this the "forever alone loop"
[–]mcrbids 35 points36 points37 points 9 months ago
Came here to say this, with different words. Knowing that somebody finds you attractive is itself very attractive. And the thought of dating somebody who you are pretty sure will find you repulsive is also not very attractive. Thus, very "attractive" people aren't attractive at all to unattractive people, but unattractive people who appreciate somebody liking them are quite attractive.
I think you said it better.
[–]CrossTCOB 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Yah, I call BS. Unattractive people still find attractive people attractive, they may have just given up them. Particularly if the unattractive person has an unattractive personality.
[–]Blatant_Flirt 25 points26 points27 points 9 months ago
I'd tap that turkey leg.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
Slightly? ಠ_ಠ
[–]smeenatchu 1008 points1009 points1010 points 9 months ago
I married someone who is not attractive by normal standards I suppose. But because I loved him so much, he was the most handsome person in the world to me. So it's subjective I think.
But now that we're getting divorced, I wish he would just get hit by a bus.
[–]phisigkap 607 points608 points609 points 9 months ago
how romantic
[–]smeenatchu 109 points110 points111 points 9 months ago
I know, I'm truly a gifted poet.
And on a side note: Not just a regular bus. One of those double buses with the big accordion in the middle. Or maybe one of those London double decker jobs....
[–]FaceItPoker 40 points41 points42 points 9 months ago
"big accordion in the middle." oh i get it.
[–]Zeihous 67 points68 points69 points 9 months ago
A bendy bus!
[–]UltravioletLemon 28 points29 points30 points 9 months ago
slinky bus.
[–]jbethersonton 18 points19 points20 points 9 months ago
Articulated bus!
[–]wombat_jones 34 points35 points36 points 9 months ago
a well-spoken bus :P
[–]crinos666 10 points11 points12 points 9 months ago
That would be 'articulate', Wombat Jones.
[–]myghostwouldbeslimer 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Caterpillar bus!
[–]DesignatedTripper 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
When I was about 4 I would call them a hook-together bus.
[–]Calber4 21 points22 points23 points 9 months ago
Hooker bus for short.
[–]nellfromthemovienell 14 points15 points16 points 9 months ago
One time I called them a double-long. No one knew what that meant.
[–]SpaceTacos 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago
Banana Bus!
[–]VerySpecialK 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
Bangbus
[–]sfwlz 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Transport Tycoon taught me they're called: Articulated Coaches.
Can we just make it a train?
[–]spg239 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
Too dangerous, he might think he was incepted.
[–]KasSoup 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
After the bus takes out yours, may I borrow it for mine?
[–]lazyduke 341 points342 points343 points 9 months ago
I see handsome man. Handsome man gets hit by bus. No number for Jakucha!
[–][deleted] 124 points125 points126 points 9 months ago
Oh god it's spreading fast
[–]CylonOven 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
What is it?
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 9 months ago
http://i.filmot.com/SBSwI.png
[–]randompsyco 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago
Well I laughed
[–]FrozenStar- 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Indeed it is.
[–]topfunlandlui 23 points24 points25 points 9 months ago
Does he turn ugly to your eyes once the divorce is final?
[–]smeenatchu 98 points99 points100 points 9 months ago
Gosh I hope so. To be honest, I still love him very much, and I still think he's the most handsome man that ever lived. I wish I wasn't getting a divorce which is probably why I am so bitter and angry and wishing he gets caught in the machinery at his job.
[–]unhedged 33 points34 points35 points 9 months ago
Internet hug for you <3
[–]smeenatchu 30 points31 points32 points 9 months ago
Thank you. Now if we could just turn that into some internet penis, I'd be all set. :)
[–]Door_Knob 13 points14 points15 points 9 months ago
I'll just leave this here
[–]smeenatchu 19 points20 points21 points 9 months ago
Thank you. Now if we could just turn that into some actual penis, I'd be all set. :)
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Oh, I don't know about that -- penises are extremely rare on the internet.
[–]Cutsprocket 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
clearly you have never been on chat roulette
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 months ago
What did he do to cause you the desire for him to get hit by a bus? Must have been bad.
Never been married but would never wish ill upon past loves that never worked out (marriage is probably different).
Well I guess I am the one that caused the initial damage in the marriage (I spent money I shouldn't have). He says this hurt him too badly. But he will not give me an opportunity to correct it. So I am very angry that he is so quick to give up, when I am willing to change the things I do that bother him. Especially considering that we have small children.
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[–]soapmactavish 71 points72 points73 points 9 months ago
about three fity
[–]achelous 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
I aint givin you no tree fiddy, you god damn loch ness monster!
[–]smeenatchu 34 points35 points36 points 9 months ago
On average about $200 a week for a year. And we talked about it several times in what I thought was just a "hey, cut down on it" kinda way. As it turns out, this was a much bigger deal than I thought, he took it personally as me trying to hurt him and being inconsiderate of his feelings. And only when he told me he was divorcing me, did I get the magnitude of the situation. Now that I 'get it', I haven't spent a dime, but it's too late in his eyes. He can't/won't forgive me. And I am angry that he won't try.
There is obviously more to it than just this, but this is the major issue at hand.
[–]Obi_Kwiet 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago
Did you spend it on family stuff like food, or are we talking frivolous personal stuff? Also, do you have a job?
Some of it on family stuff, but most of it on just what I call 'bumming around'. He works nights, we have 2 kids and a small place. So I would often take the kids out for the day so he could sleep. And honestly, I cannot stand being cooped up in the house all day with 2 kids. Between gas, snacks for me and kids because we were out of the house, paying to get into play places, etc. it added up quickly.
And I do have a job, but because of the nature of HIS job, I can only work minimally. I used to have a full time job, that payed well, and he made me quit it. Plus, our son is only 10mos old, neither of us want him in daycare, so it just makes sense for me to only work a day or 2. To be honest, I would LOVE to go back to work full time, but he doesn't want me to.
[–]SayHiToForever 21 points22 points23 points 9 months ago
I just have to say that this is a totally unfair reason to end a marriage and echo another commenters point, sounds like he is chickening out and decided to blame you. If you were using the money on spending time with the kids [which includes gas, food, everything... not like they are going to pay for it!], especially if he was sleeping in the house and you had to keep everybody quiet, then it shouldn't be the big deal he is making it out to be. Being a good parent and spending time outside the house with your kids should count for something, you also mentioned how you can't work much because of HIS job. What does he expect you to do? Just sit around the house with the kids all day while he sleeps? Spending less money totally makes sense and is a real issue that a couple has to work on together, but it's not like you went on some extravagant spree. $200 a week doesn't really add up to that much, it's a fair amount but is definitely recoverable. Sorry that you have to deal with this.
[–]strolls 14 points15 points16 points 9 months ago
Your hubby sounds really controlling, to be honest.
You're only allowed to work certain hours, you can't interfere with his sleeping, you can't go out with the kids and do stuff … it just sounds like he wants everything his way.
[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 9 months ago
Shit. That's a fucking ridiculous reason to get a divorce. It sounds like an excuse and he's decided to pussy out and blame you.
[–]e5x 16 points17 points18 points 9 months ago
It also sounds like one side of a story that probably has two sides.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 9 months ago
She spent over 10.000$ against his wishes.
That's not what's really ridiculous. 10,000 could be a lot to you and nothing to him. One guy said that he wished he could have a wonderful wife for 10,000. Even though he was kidding the principle is sound. It's irrelevant to me how much money she spent.
But let's assume that 10,000 is a lot to this particular couple. I don't see her spending 200 dollars a week when they can't pay the mortgage or electric bill. I mean she might have. But why the fuck isn't the husband bringing this up the month it's happening??? So maybe after all the bills were paid that money was ear marked for something that was really important. What's ridiculous is that he waited for the grand total at the end of the year and then requested a divorce. If he had a huge problem with it, yelled at her, and then next year another 10,000 had been missing again he would have been well within reason to request a divorce. The only way I would divorce someone in this situation is if it was like 10,000 dollars that was supposed to go to something important like baby food/diapers and that was neglected. But then again if that was the case I sure as hell wouldn't be bringing it up at the end of the year with a receipt in my hand. I'd be yelling at her the minute I found out the money was gone. But I wouldn't request a divorce the first time it happened after the bills had been paid. Unless of course, I didn't have the balls to mention the real reason.
[–][deleted] 117 points118 points119 points 9 months ago
BITCH IM A BUS
[–]weggy 34 points35 points36 points 9 months ago
I'm so sad that didn't become a bigger meme.
[–]friendlyhumanist 29 points30 points31 points 9 months ago
Meanwhile, in the ice soap subreddit...
[–]kah323 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
are you attractive, by normal standards?
[–]smeenatchu 24 points25 points26 points 9 months ago*
I am on the more attractive side I would say. I wouldn't doubt if people looked at us as a couple and wondered what I was doing with him.
EDIT: I am not trying to make this sound as if I think I'm super hot shit or anything, the only reason I said it this way is because I have actually heard someone say "what is she doing with him?". As far as I am concerned, I was lucky to have him. And I'll be even luckier if I ever find anyone that I will love as much as I love him.
[–]littlebluedress 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
my bf looks like he has already been hit by a bus
[–][deleted] 151 points152 points153 points 9 months ago
Besides the subjectivity of physical attraction, there's the fact that someone can become more attractive to you over time once you get to know them and have feelings for them.
[–]science_is_real 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Proof
[–]kodie131 13 points14 points15 points 9 months ago
David Cross is fucking awesome though. An intelligent, hilarious, open-minded person is more attractive than a skin sack full of muscles.
[–]downneck 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
in his defense, that fucker is funny as hell
[–]AmbroseB 22 points23 points24 points 9 months ago
Physical attraction is not entirely subjective, though. There are plenty of universally preferred traits.
Also, yes people can get more attractive over time, but in order to get to know them you need at least some level of initial attraction.
[–]disharmonia 56 points57 points58 points 9 months ago
There are generally preferred traits, not universal.
Rule 34 kind of applies to attraction as well. You can find the most haggard, barely-animate, pseudo-member of humanity, and I guarantee you that there's someone out there with a kink for it.
[–]angelmeat 34 points35 points36 points 9 months ago
And I thank God every day for it.
but in order to get to know them you need at least some level of initial attraction.
It doesn't have to be physical. You might be coworkers, flatmates, classmates or really click on a personality type level.
[–][deleted] 51 points52 points53 points 9 months ago
It's called the Matching hypothesis
[–][deleted] 36 points37 points38 points 9 months ago
I think this is the problem with me. I'm only attracted to people more attractive than I am. The part of me that was supposed to tell me "just settle" fucked up somehow.
[–]AmbroseB 45 points46 points47 points 9 months ago
Give it time. Also, stop masturbating. Within a week, every girl with two legs will look like a supermodel.
[–]IceCreamSquirrel 52 points53 points54 points 9 months ago
No masturbating?!?! I'll have to fap-on-it and get back to you.
[–]BigAssTitties 11 points12 points13 points 9 months ago
Ok, how about, stop watching porn?
[–]xTRUMANx 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
I'll have to fap-on-it and get back to you.
EDIT: No.got anymore suggestions?
[–]Teamster 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Only way to edit and not get the * is to do it within a minute of posting.
...
I'm sorry.
[–]andrewthemexican 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
It's the 7-day challenge, it's returned!
[–]Sybs 11 points12 points13 points 9 months ago
I meet girl. Girl have nice body. I tell girl for her I no fap 7 days long. No number for Jakucha!
[–]HomelessGreg 92 points93 points94 points 9 months ago
Ugly guy here. I've rarely been with girls that I have found attractive.
[–]SSChicken 18 points19 points20 points 9 months ago
I think my wife is significantly out of my league, when you do find one like that do everything everything you can to keep her.
[–]Fidellio 22 points23 points24 points 9 months ago
I bet there are lots of women who do that on purpose.
[–]MrWhippy24 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
I have the opposite problem. I've had two girlfriends - my current and my first - who thought I was out of my league (as I found out later). It comes out in so many negative ways, self-esteem issues, jealousy and possessiveness, doing things you don't want just to please you and make themselves "more valuable". It breeds resentment on both sides.
I never even used to think of myself as any sort of catch but do not, for the love of god, ever get involved with someone who thinks you're out of their league.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
Both people need to think the other is out of their league, and both need to put in the effort to keep the other secure and happy.
[–]salgat 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
That's not the kind of motivation you want in a relationship. There is "I'm trying hard to make this relationship last because she's a piece of ass" and then there's "I'm trying to make this work because I love her." Attraction is good but not if it's the primary motivation for you working hard to stay together. That will not last past a marriage.
[–]cuwabren 26 points27 points28 points 9 months ago
God I hope so
[–]FaceItPoker 39 points40 points41 points 9 months ago
but you still get it up.
[–]SManSpiff 15 points16 points17 points 9 months ago
Doesn't mean he thinks they're attractive, though. I'd call it "horny." Most men who are raped have induced erections (not implying he was raped, just that you don't need to have a physical attraction to get it up).
[–]aksriits 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago
I find that really interesting; care to elaborate further? Do you tend to ask out girls who you presume will say yes because they're not conventionally attractive? Or do those types of girls ask you out? Is physical attraction something that isn't super-important to you or do you find that you're just settling?
[–]HomelessGreg 27 points28 points29 points 9 months ago
I can elaborate but you might not like the answer.
As for asking girls out, I abandoned that a long time ago. When you are ugly, you aren't subjected to normal rejection, you are instead subjected to rejection + disgust. My main strategy nowadays is to go on dating sites, post very honest pictures of myself and wait until girls come and talk to me.
My main criteria these days is weight. For the rest, I am very lenient.
You see, the thing which makes me ugly is my face. For a women, it's not always an instant "disqualification" because a women can always make it up with things like boobs, nice legs, nice skin, nice butt etc. For men, having an ugly face puts you automatically in the ugly category. Now, there seems to be a rule out there that states that if you are an ugly guy, you only have access to obese women.
This is my problem. As a person who gains weight easily and who therefore does everything in his power to prevent this, I can tell you that there is no excuse for being overweight. It's kind of like how ex-smokers tend to be the ones who criticize smokers the most. No obese people came out of Auschwitz and there are no fat people in Somalia right now. The fact is : If you eat too much you get fat, if you eat just enough you stay the same and if you eat less you lose weight.
Now, If I am ugly and it is not my choice, why should I accept someone who abuse their bodies by choice by eating a bunch of crap?
[–]hyper4ctive 40 points41 points42 points 9 months ago
Yes.
I do wedding photography on the side and one of the things that first bothered me when I got into it was hoping that the couple would at least be decent looking. It's much easier to photograph beautiful people than ugly ones.
After meeting various couples I've found that there can be so much chemistry between two people that you will actually see how beautiful they are together. It's hard to describe but when you see the way they look at each other you just know that there's no one else they'd rather be with.
[–]lucasj 56 points57 points58 points 9 months ago
Everyone sort of averages out on the attractiveness scale over the long-term, if you ask me. Even super hot people just start to look normal once you're used to them.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago
Especially first thing in the morning. Or passed out drunk, drooling over a bucket of puke.
[–]sazzlepops 33 points34 points35 points 9 months ago
"The world is not full of Attractive People and Unattractive People. It’s full of people who are attractive to some and not to others."
[–]algo_trader 11 points12 points13 points 9 months ago
I dated a not so attractive girl for a few years. Thing was, she was the best I ever had in bed, completely eager to please. She was also smart and could hold an intelligent conversation.
Did I look at her on my arm and say damn she is hot? Nope. But I had no problem looking at her across the room and saying damn I can't wait to take that home tonight...
[–]beyelzu 43 points44 points45 points 9 months ago
OP, perhaps you should ask your gf?
[–]SManSpiff 10 points11 points12 points 9 months ago
That's classy.
[–]downneck 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
burn
[–]rib-bit 25 points26 points27 points 9 months ago
While there is a small percentage of men and women that are attractive to all, most people have their own preference.
I was in Vegas once for a stag -- 18 of us at a strip club -- it was then that I realized that everyone has their own type -- I couldn't believe some of the girls that my friends were paying for a dance.
[–]elenafromoasis 36 points37 points38 points 9 months ago
(I am a stripper.)
I agree with the "small percentage of men and women that are attractive to all, most people have their own preference."
All dancers know that there are good nights and there are bad nights, and good nights generally happen when you find ONE guy who REALLY likes you and wants to spend stupid amounts of money on you. I'm still baffled by the idea that someone would want to drop $200 on half an hour with me in the VIP, though it has happened, even though I'm all but a dead fish in there. (As in, "No, you can't touch me there. Or there. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING? You try that one more time and I will fucking CALL THE BOUNCER ON YOUR ASS!...")
I fit into a rather generic "look" and I make pretty consistent money from night to night. I have that .7 waist-to-hip ratio that thousands of years of evolution tells you HEY I AM FERTILE; YOU WANT TO IMPREGNATE ME. I don't have big breasts, but they're not small either. I'm not skinny. I'm not fat. I don't really fit into anyone's "niche", other than maybe my ethnicity. The main determining factor for me of how much money I make is how hard I want to hustle - few people would tell me no or think I'm unattractive, but at the same time, few people really get into my "look" and want to drop the big bucks in VIP.
The more "exotic" looking girls with distinguishing features - say tattoos, unusual piercings, really big or really small boobs - are the ones who will make $100 in one night and $1200 on the next. In the long run though, I think it all averages out to be about the same.
What would you do if you did get given $200 to go to the VIP room with someone and they clearly weren't into it and you weren't even able to hump an erection out of them?
I'm just wondering how that girl felt. Her clitoris was pierced too, she showed me. Just wasn't working for me, felt like I was in a doctors waiting room, just bored.
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[–]heartsandspades 15 points16 points17 points 9 months ago
Girl here. I can honestly say that my dating history shows I can get past just about any physical "flaw" (balding, overweight, too skinny, too tall, bad teeth, big glasses... Whatever) but I absolutely cannot get past a dull personality. I've dated some really attractive guys and some not so attractive guys. In reality it was their personality, sense of humor, and confidence that drew me to them in the first place - not looks.
I am not going to rate myself but I'd say I'm fairly average. Am I looking for someone who is about my level of attractiveness or higher? I couldn't really care less. Unless you have some major hygiene problems or something, I'm going after your brain with looks being a distant afterthought.
[–]Browzer 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Do you ever worry that your female friends won't find your boyfriends attractive? When men try to decide if a woman is attractive enough to date, they are also trying to determine if their friends will think she is attractive.
[–]FallingSnowAngel 79 points80 points81 points 9 months ago
Most beautiful woman to me had a wicked smile that meant she was about to destroy all my defenses. The intelligence in her eyes, the confidence in her walk - I didn't care she was a bit heavyset, she was the one I wanted to wake up next to in the morning, for the rest of my life.
Yes, we can find "unattractive people" beautiful.
One of the ugliest girls to me, was a model who used violence and her good looks to destroy people. She'd use her martial arts skills to force anyone she didn't like to defend themselves, then spread word of the fight among the local street gangs, omitting any hint of her own attacks...
We can be disgusted by the "beautiful people".
[–]INCREDIBLY_OFFENSIVE 115 points116 points117 points 9 months ago
She'd use her martial arts skills to force anyone she didn't like to defend themselves
Wait..........what!?
[–]SupaDupaFly 16 points17 points18 points 9 months ago
I smell a sitcom! reality show!
[–]downneck 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago
I smell a sitcom! reality show! porno!
FTFY
[–]randomsnark 23 points24 points25 points 9 months ago
I smell ~~ a sitcom! reality show! porno!~~ bad!
[–]that_nuisance 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
You're slipping, I didn't find that even slightly offensive.
[–]redditor3000 23 points24 points25 points 9 months ago*
You know O-Ren Ishii?
[–]futureshopisdull 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago
Did she then proceed to kill Bill?
[–]LeftHandedGraffiti 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
Word. The "in" look for my age bracket is something I find totally hideous because it's fake. Fake blonde hair, heavy makeup, dark eyes, fake tits. She might have an amazing body but I'll never see it that way because everything else gets in the way. But I've got friends who think I'm crazy for being turned off by that stuff.
[–]big80smullet 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
It's only "in" for a certain set of people.
[–]xenya 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
I've had the same experience. Intelligence is one of the most attractive things to me in a partner.
beauty is really in eye of the beholder. what I precieve as unattractive might be drop dead gorgeous to others. I hope you get some better answers then this :)
[–]Suomynona90375 54 points55 points56 points 9 months ago
Talk about low self esteem.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 9 months ago
My wife does this. It's the only thing unattractive about her. It is low self esteem.
[–]Suomynona90375 30 points31 points32 points 9 months ago
That still sounds like low self esteem to me. You say you are fine with who you are as if who you are isn't good enough. You say you aren't his ideal as if he has higher standards and is just doing you a favor out of pity. He probably loves everything about you and thinks you're too good for him.
[–]sil3ntgh0st 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
This. Everything about this.
I feel like this needs to go into that proverbial basket all women get when they realize they start liking dudes (or girls, whatever). Absolutely nothing is more attractive to me, and probably most guys, than a woman who's confident in herself. It's one reason I fell in love with my girlfriend.
[–]walking_the_burbs 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago
You ever think he understands that if you were a "hottie" that YOU'D be getting hit on all the time? Maybe he doesn't want to deal with that shit in the first place?
I'm no GQ model, but decent enough. I dated a woman who was probably a ?5-6 on the average "hotness" scale. I considered her a 10 because of who she WAS....not just because of what she looked like.
Maybe to your husband you are a 10.
[–]Maliduku 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
I don't mean to talk myself up, but as a charismatic and attractive guy, I've found I often fall for for quiet, awkward girls. The subtleties in their personality very often stand out and it's a huge turn on when someone who's generally reserved shares themselves and what they like with me.
[–]The_Insurance 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Wow, um, first of all, you're probably more attractive than you think. More importantly, 'quiet, awkward, inappropriate' might be exactly what he's attracted to. You're probably also honest, intelligent, caring, loyal, etc.
[–]weareallstardust 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
I am mildly attractive but I found myself falling for a good friend of mine who was not attractive in the normal conventional sense - more of the Michael Moore type - his personality was so wonderful that I just started to fall. It wasn't right and nothing ended up happening, but I remember that feeling when I found him extremely attractive - physically - probably based on his personality. I bet in your husbands eyes you are honestly the most beautiful person to him - and you would be that way pretty much regardless of your appearance.
Yeah, except is there really a standard definition of 'unattractive' out there? I think if you are not legitimately deformed and once you are taking care of yourself and have good hygiene, there's someone out there for everyone.
[–]apresmoiledeluge 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
Someone, somewhere, got an erection watching this episode.
[–]Paumanok 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
My ex was far from a 10 but when i looked at her she was the most beautiful girl in the world. It's funny how that works. Before we dated and we were god friends i though she was kinda cute, not photogenic but cute in person. I fell in love with her a couple months into dating her and she was the most beautiful thing i've ever seen, even at her derpiest(hoody, loose jeans, hair messy)
[–]HaroldOfTheRocks 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Water finds its own level.
[–]Snakeyez 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
I have more than once had a person go from being average, or even not finding them at all attractive...to blazingly beautiful every time I look at them. It's called infatuation, I suspect in some cases people spend their whole lives convinced they are with the handsomest/most beautiful person in the world
[–]overts 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
My opinion, I am not an "expert" on matters of love. Attraction generally is what starts a relationship. You are attracted to someone and then you get to know them and if you like them the relationship begins.
However sometimes you can get to know someone, like them, and even though you used to not find them attractive suddenly you do. In High School there were girls whom I never found attractive at all until they gave me the time of day. Having someone actually just pay attention to me would sometimes cause me to see them differently and create an attraction. Should note that I was a loser who was frequently picked on so having people pay attention to me and talk to me was a pretty big deal.
I think that physical attraction at best can just act as a catalyst for a relationship. Relationships that are centered around attraction don't work out and as you get to know someone and enjoy their personality they become far more attractive than they initially were.
[–]anonymouse20 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
as i enter into a lifelong committed partnership, i am learning that there is a difference between a girl i am physically attracted to (that i want to fuck) and somebody i want to be in a long term relationship with...not necessarily mutually exclusive, but not the same thing either. its kind of basic, but i suppose this means i'm maturing as a dude
[–]bef23 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
I've completely reversed my opinion of a lot of people's physical attractiveness. There are those who I once found really attractive but are barely a 1/10 in my book now. Then there are some people who I used to be completely unattracted to, but now find very physically attractive after getting to know them. It has less to do with a person's actual physical traits and more to do with your opinion/perception of them, especially over a long period of time.
[–]DoctorCaptainPlanet 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
There are more important things than physical appearance, in my opinion. Nobody is "perfect". You have to decide what is most important to you in a person. If they must be attractive, then realize that you might be sacrificing sanity, intelligence, requited love, etc.
I think that the "unattractive" more often find that there are more important things than beauty.
My husband was attracted to me and started a conversation with me at college. He was persistent and became my best friend. I developed feelings for the person he is and the more I fell in love with him, the more attractive to me he became.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
Sooner or later everyone gets ugly. You get old, you get fat, and your skin starts to sag and look shitty. Even if you manage to not get fat, everything still starts to fall. You get health problems. Moles. And oh boy, isn't BenGay the sexiest smell evar? So you're better to choose your mate based on someone who is kind, smart, and you enjoy spending time with.
To answer your question though, water from the hose out back is great when you are thirsty. Sure you'd rather have the fancy spring water from the bottle in the fridge poured over ice in the real nice/clean glass. But that's just not available to everyone, and you gotta drink something ya know?
[–]sleeveofheart 97 points98 points99 points 9 months ago
There aren't any unattractive people in the complete sense of the word. There are only people who are unattractive to a certain person.
Not everyone judges external appearance based solely on external appearance. Maybe people who love someone's character, personality, accomplishments, etc., see that person as attractive when they look at that person's external appearance even if other people who don't know or like that person don't feel the same way.
[–]Drainedsoul 54 points55 points56 points 9 months ago
People are also attracted to wildly different external appearances.
[–]sterling_mallory 43 points44 points45 points 9 months ago
Exactly. I find a certain features in a woman very attractive that most men don't, namely a big Toucan Sam nose. The sexiest woman I've probably ever seen is Chelsea Peretti. Also, personality really does have a lot to do with physical attractiveness. They way someone carries themselves and interacts with people has a physical effect.
[–]Caedus_Vao 11 points12 points13 points 9 months ago
No, I'm with you. I need to do.....things.....to Chelsea Peretti.
[–]sterling_mallory 19 points20 points21 points 9 months ago
All the things.
[–]BookOfGob 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
I'd do craaaaazy things to that woman with a bag over her nose. Make that face.
EDIT: I joke Reddit, I joke. I'm not that shallow.
[–]Singulaire 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
I'm not that shallow.
Neither is miss Peretti's nose.
Right. That's why the concept of rating a persons attractiveness on a simple 1-10 numerical scale or saying that one has just high or low standards is silly to me. Somebody might say I have low standards because I'm attracted to girl X or high standards because I'm not attracted to girl Y, but it's totally possible for another guy to be attracted to girl X and not girl Y.
[–]Urusai89 31 points32 points33 points 9 months ago
Not everyone judges external appearance based solely on external appearance
I don't know any other way to judge external appearance other than by external appearance.
If I look at a girl, I don't really have much to go on other than looks unless I happen to know her. Even so, a good personality doesn't entirely make up for being unattractive, at least not for me. There would have to at least be some attraction there first to build upon.
"but she's really nice". So am I most of the time, but it doesn't mean some beautiful girl has to accept me when she's not attracted to me. It goes both ways.
[–]kreuelt 17 points18 points19 points 9 months ago
This is true, but you're probably going to be misread. We need to more carefully differentiate between "external appearance" and "physical appearance." For the purposes of this discussion let's call "external appearance" the sum total of what can be seen about a person: body, clothing, posture, grooming habits, etc., and "physical appearance" to just be a person's, well, body.
It's possible for a person with a sub-par physical appearance -- maybe awkward proportions or an unsightly birth mark -- to nevertheless maintain an external appearance that is extremely attractive to most people, possibly by means of dressing extremely flatteringly or fashionably, or grooming him/herself exceptionally well.
I have nothing more to add to the discussion, I just wanted to make sure that a distinction between the two ideas was made.
[–]Urusai89 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Good call. Though I find there's entirely too much focus on such minor things, especially for women. She can be beautiful with nice bright eyes, good facial proportions, etc., but think she's 'ugly' because of a zit by her nose or something.
I mean sure if it's the size of a grape, but in the grand scheme of things, that is nothing at all to worry about, at least not in my books. Hell it's not even permanent.
[–]safer 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
Michael: Could it be love? GOB: I know what an erection feels like, Michael!
Michael: Could it be love?
GOB: I know what an erection feels like, Michael!
My point being that there's more to attraction than just flesh
When a man has charm, charisma, a sense of humor, intelligence, and also happens to share my interests, he doesn't have to look like Brad Pitt to keep my attention.
Also, as an average-looking girl I can't rely on a smokin-hot body to get a man, so I have to have skills rather than looks--which tend to keep a man better than looking like a super model.
[–]jungletek 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
Upvote for thinly veiled reference to bedroom skills.
[–]bigelmofarts 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
I think a better question is, Are attractive people actually attracted to their unattractive partners?
[–]Auberiah 19 points20 points21 points 9 months ago
Yes. People tend to date people whom they feel are on the same "level" of attractiveness as they are. I can't think of what the theory is off the top of my head, but it is a legitimate theory I learned about in one of my communications classes last semester.
[–][deleted] 53 points54 points55 points 9 months ago
"I couldn't find somebody attractive so I had to settle" theory.
[–]FallingSnowAngel 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
The "we can't fap to it, so you must be deluding yourself" theory. One more example of why scientists and romantics seldom speak to each other anymore except over swordplay.
[–]reallyrandomname 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Here's a video demostrating the matching process.
[–]Ghostshirts 36 points37 points38 points 9 months ago
as a graduate of Handsome Boy Modeling School i can tell you that unattractive people make me sick. my modeling name is Sparkles.
[–]jayhawkai 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
As a graduate of the Milford Academy, I can tell you to be neither seen nor heard! Now blend into that wallpaper!
[–]Psypriest 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
Mr Sparkles?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Non-ugly girl here. I dated this guy who was UGLY. As I got to know him, I started thinking that he was the hottest guy in the world - even his droopy eyes and weird forehead became super attractive to me. The day I started thinking he looked ugly, I realized I didn't like him anymore.
[–]pamplemouse 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
Unattractive people will tend to hang out with other unattractive people. Once they get to know each other they will become physically attracted to that person, even though they are objectively unattractive. I didn't understand this until it happened to me. My gf is objectively average looking, but every time I see her I can feel a spike of warmth and happiness in my brain that makes her look like she's a glowing angel. I know it sounds totally sappy. But now when I see an ugly couple walking hand in hand, I can totally understand why they are so happy. Shallow Hal is actually right on the nose.
The flip side is that I now realize I was a shallow moron my entire life. It's like I've discovered a cheat code for relationships.
It's 'cause of the mermaid theory. It was 300 years ago: Sailors stuck at sea would get desperate for female companionship. It got so bad, that eventually the manatees out in the water started to look like beautiful women. Mermaids.
You see, every woman, no matter how initially repugnant, has a "mermaid clock," the time it takes for you to realize that you want to bone her.
[–]PepeAndMrDuck 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Like old people. Does the wrinkly skin of old people ever actually attract other nasty wrinkly old people? My grandma is over 85 and she has a boyfriend who is just as old and to the best of my knowledge they do it all the time.
Any old people want to answer this question?
[–]ButthurtForeverAlone 55 points56 points57 points 9 months ago
Attractive people tend to be pretentious douchebags. That's why I like nerdy girls who play Starcraft 2 and browse Reddit.
[–]Celebutaunt 92 points93 points94 points 9 months ago
Not sure if trolling or just stupid...
[–]Dodged 83 points84 points85 points 9 months ago
ButthurtForeverAlone
[–]Celebutaunt 30 points31 points32 points 9 months ago
I really need to start reading usernames before I reply to comments.
[–]DoctorB0b 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
aka all of reddit
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
I, for one, approve of this novelty account and hope to see more posts from it in the future.
[–]DrNgo 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Good thing there are soooo many of those
[–]SUPGUYZZ 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
username matches self.
[–]MiaK123 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
but they dont like you back butthurtforeveralone...
[–]Jtownsend 15 points16 points17 points 9 months ago
How the hell do you determine if someone is unattractive? That's completely biased towards your own perception of what beauty is.
As an example: A tonne of people tell me that Angelina Jolie is extremely pretty, a very classic sort of beautiful, but I find her odd looking and to be honest, I'm not attracted to her in any way.
When dealing with something with such a broad definition, I don't think you can answer that question properly.
[–]FancySchmancy 20 points21 points22 points 9 months ago
This might explain why:
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-mathematics-of-beauty/
Basically, some women are extremely attractive to some men, and the others can't see why (Megan Fox was used as an example). While other women are generally, though not extremely, attractive to all men (Kristen Bell was used as an example).
[–]gweegles 14 points15 points16 points 9 months ago
"On the far right, you have the many dudes who think she's the sexiest thing ever. On the far left, you have the small number of people who have seen her movies."
[–]mlerner 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
I can honestly say, pretty much everything in this thread is the truth. It's all how you see someone.
With that in mind, the one woman I loved more than anyone wasn't a supermodel but she had the most beautiful mind and soul. To get to the point, she is now engaged to someone else so physical appearance means absolutely nothing.
[–]puddlejumper 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
When you become attracted to a persons personality, it is everything about that person that you like, especially the flaws, because that's what makes them, them.
[–]EZReader 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
[–]luxe115 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
I am in love with a man that is 21 yrs older than me (i'm 35, he 56). He is not the "standard" attractive, but I can't keep my hands off him. I look aiiight. The only standard of measure I have is that i still get whistled at and don't have to pay for drinks.
[–]Genericpenisjoke 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
I fell in love with a plain looking girl. As time went on, she grew to be more attractive. It wasn't just an "our personalities are growing closer" type of thing. She actually physically changed through time--she became more attractive. The outside world agreed.
Does this answer your question? Uh... I dunno.
[–]vampyres32 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
What is attractive vs unattractive? Who defines this, I personally find a wicked sense of humor more attractive then a "perfect body, perfect face" example, had this fling, for the sake of this topic we will call him douche bag. Girls always called him hot, I couldn't stand him long enough to make him more then a brief fling. Then I had another guy, I still adore him, hes tall, skinny and a total geek, generally not what most would widely consider sexy, I still consider him more sexy then the douche bag. FYI, I am not exactly unattractive myself, this isn't coming from ego, my looks attraction level is great, I just start talking and generally trip people out enough they run like hell.
[–]dizneedave 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
I wasn't attracted to my SO at all when we met. We spent a lot of time together, got to know each other, found things in common. I found myself looking at her in a different light after a while, and now I wouldn't trade her for the world. She mentioned once that she didn't quite understand what I saw in her, but that was a long time ago. I think she's become more beautiful as time goes by, and I've just gotten older...so we're a pretty good match.
[–]tetzy 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
"Attractive" is subjective.
Hollywood doesn't care for rubanesque Women - I secretly yearn...
[–]incorrect_fact 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
As a beautiful person, I cannot comment.
[–]grahamsmacker 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
I dated a lot of people before I got married, and they varied pretty wildly on the attractiveness scale. Some ware gorgeous and others were plain.
You are a fool if you pick relationships based on looks. There is much more to a person than their shell, and you are missing out on the amazing depth of the human species.
It concerns me how superficial we are becoming.
[–]accioveritaserum 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
I'm waiting for the day everyone will realize that beauty is relative. Just because they're ugly to you, doesn't mean everyone thinks that. Same for the opposite. I've found plenty of people attractive that friends would say "what? really? gross." I'm not understanding why people don't get this.
[–]tearsofeve 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Honestly - let me start by saying I'm not hot shit or anything - but I will tell you that over my dating life, the guy I loved the most was not that attractive. I dated him for a couple of years, and it was the most devestating breakup I have had. I would say he was the least conventionally attractive person I have ever dated. During our relationship, the friend who hooked us up openly told me "i don't think he's used to dating girls who look like you" - and I remember another friend openly telling me "I don't get what you see in him".
I, on the other hand, was freakishly in love with him. Looking back, conventional attractiveness wasn't there, but I seriously loved everything about him. I think he might have been the love of my life, and I'm not sure I will ever feel that way again.
So, fuck attractiveness, love can't be explained. It makes no sense, and it's not supposed to.
[–]Kage2021 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
This question is fucking stupid. There are more things that influence attraction than looks. You start by looking at a person inside and out, and how happy they make you. I am ashamed of my own gender...
[–]m0r3sl33p 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
I understand that society and the media teach us to assign a lot of value to physical appearance, but are you really this un - selfaware? Grow up and accustom yourselves to the full spectrum of human emotion and personal value.
[–]NoMoreNicksLeft 28 points29 points30 points 9 months ago
Yeh, exactly! Why don't unattractive people just kill themselves? Certainly if the girl is less than a 10, when you sink your dick into her quivering pussy it feels like you're fucking a box of broken glass and lemon-jalapeno juice! It's not like you could ever like anyone for being a person anyway, they're all just faces... and most of them ugly. This is also why attractive people should kill themselves when they reach age 35... they're too old to get someone attractive, and anyone they already have is getting old and ugly too.
[–]EZReader 39 points40 points41 points 9 months ago
You don't go half-way with sarcasm, do you?
[–]Zagrobelny 22 points23 points24 points 9 months ago
He was using his whole ass.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
No girl is ugly with my dick in her mouth.
[–]Drewboy64 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
I think so. Well first personality can play a huge part, but I also think what people see as beautiful in others reflects themselves maybe? I used to be fat, and I had standards where I was attracted to larger girls (not that being larger=uglier, but that's generally the standard here). But when I lost weight, I lost that attraction.
[–]zombiegodzilla 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
nope
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