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[–]davidhildreth 110 points111 points ago

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Who said he was a hero? Sheen is simply a more interesting train wreck.

[–][deleted] 618 points619 points ago

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It's largely how they've handled the scrutiny. Sheen says "fuck you all, i'm having a blast." Lohan wants everyone to pity her and wonders why she keeps getting picked on.

[–]OnwardsBackwards 108 points109 points ago

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Level of success + owning the criticism.

[–]sockpupppet 231 points232 points ago

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Sheen also has accomplished something remotely noteworthy as an actor. I can't actually remember why Lohan is famous.

[–][deleted] 131 points132 points ago

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she was a child star. and then ended up as child stars do.

[–]monsieur_min 226 points227 points ago

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Portman? Di Caprio? Shields? Foster? Savage? Milano? Aquilera? Hewitt? Fergie? Timberlake? Neil Patrick Harris? Bynes? Majorino? Paquin? Danica Mckellar? Jon Taylor Thomas? Joe Gordon-Levitt? Bateman? Elijah Wood? Dunst? Tatyana Ali? Kirk Cameron? and especially... Drew Barrymore?

I can do this all day...

[–]nopokejoke 206 points207 points ago

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Kirk Cameron

ಠ_ಠ

[–]durants 13 points14 points ago

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Yeah that caused me to pause too.

[–]shadow1515 26 points27 points ago

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I think maybe that was thrown in there to see if we were paying attention.

[–]PrinceXtraFly 100 points101 points ago

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Didn't Drew Barrymore end up batshit crazy as well? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I kind of remember something happening there... While true that not all child stars end up like Lohan did, very many do.

[–]El_Suavador 78 points79 points ago

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Yep, Drew Barrymore was a drug user and/or alcoholic at a scarily young age...12, I think. I wouldn't say she ended up that way, though. She seems to be OK now.

[–]nickx37 115 points116 points ago

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She married Tom Green. She'll never be OK.

[–]kirun 122 points123 points ago

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And finally, Tom Green was in something good.

[–]Accelerator 11 points12 points ago

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Funny thing, Tom Green divorced her in the end. If Tom Green thinks you're too much of a loon to live with, you have issues.

[–]Jasboh 28 points29 points ago

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I married tom Green once and im fine ...

[–]MaybeComputer 4 points5 points ago

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Tom Green...not even once.

[–]drunk_otter 9 points10 points ago

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Despite the fact she was nuts enough to marry Tom Green she will always be awesome.

FTFY

[–]DrTom 69 points70 points ago

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You snuck Kirk Cameron in there at the end just to see if we actually read the list, didn't you?

[–]sinner_di 16 points17 points ago

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I would say Lohan and Cameron are in different boats on the same lake...

[–]stesch 6 points7 points ago

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I'm sure you would like to do Drew Barrymore all day.

[–]TheJeffa 15 points16 points ago

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I'm sorry but ...

Mean Girls > Two And a Half Men

[–]Gawdzilla 24 points25 points ago

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Mean Girls.

[–]meteors 6 points7 points ago

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Sheen wouldn't be famous if his last name wasn't Sheen.

[–]BlueMelon 4 points5 points ago

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Mean Girls.

The best movie ever.

[–]Atario 26 points27 points ago

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I think it's also what's being risked. Charlie Sheen has a decades-long A-list career; Lohan might still be considered a flash in the pan if she drops out of the public eye. So he's got huge balls to be risking it all like this, whereas she might just be another flame-out among thousands.

[–]kitchen_clinton 17 points18 points ago*

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Then again he may be just mentally ill. He's twice her age. CBS could lose $ 250 million if they let him walk so he has clout. It took 24 hours for him to have a million followers after getting a twitter account.

[–]utterdamnnonsense 2 points3 points ago

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On the other hand, Sheen is a shitty actor.

[–]speilberg0 3 points4 points ago

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He is a method actor of the best kind, not needing to act because he plays himself.

[–]x2501x 58 points59 points ago

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Sheen in interviews comes across as mostly intelligent, very egotistical, very funny, and a good bit crazy.

Lohan comes across as stupid, very egotistical, spoiled, stupid, completely psycho and... stupid.

[–]Ilktye 33 points34 points ago

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Except when Charlie Sheen says "leave me the fuck alone", we think he just doesn't give a damn, and when Lohan says "leave me the fuck alone", she's stupid and stupid and just wants more attention and is being stupid.

Not saying Sheen hasn't accomplished a lot more in his life as a actor, but there's definitely a double standard.

For example, how would you feel if Lohan dated male porn stars?

[–]Farrix 29 points30 points ago

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I'd think it was hilarious.

[–]CouchSmurfing 10 points11 points ago

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Score?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

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For example, how would you feel if Lohan dated male porn stars?

how have we felt about madonna all this time? she's an awesome, crazy whore that fucked dennis rodman and talked about it.

it's because lindsey lohan can't handle her shit. stop making things up.

[–]Skitrel 2 points3 points ago

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Explain Courtney Love then. Same issue.

The difference is inequality, that's all. The social imprint that men are promiscuous and women should all be monogamous. It's just plain old human prejudice.

[–]Hemholtz 599 points600 points ago

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When Lindsay Lohan has issues, we harass her about her issues.

When Charlie Sheen has issues, he harasses us for caring about some guy's issues.

[–]apostrotastrophe 236 points237 points ago

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If he meant it, he'd stop doing interviews.

[–]Iggyhopper 223 points224 points ago

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But he likes money.

[–]noseeme 418 points419 points ago

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Money can be easily converted to MORE COCAINE!!!

[–]nahmsayin 168 points169 points ago

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Explain how.

[–][deleted] 385 points386 points ago*

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Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

[–]smileybone 142 points143 points ago

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Woo Hoo!

[–]resilient_liver 66 points67 points ago

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But the frogurt is also cursed!

[–]flawlesslylogical 39 points40 points ago

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That's bad.

[–]orange_jooze 45 points46 points ago

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But you get your choice of topping!

[–]jck 12 points13 points ago

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So, you're telling me that all these papers with weird pictures and numbers can be exchanged for hookers?

[–]shodty 12 points13 points ago

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i'm not following...can you demonstrate this concept using legos or perhaps lincoln logs?

[–]cbfw86 24 points25 points ago

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Yeah but even if she stood up to the press; everyone would just say, "Shut up, bitch, and make me pity you some more."

[–]czechchick5 35 points36 points ago

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She made a statement recently saying how it was ridiculous that her "low cut white dress" (something along that line, wasn't even that revealing) that she wore to court was front page news and people to get a life.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points ago

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It's not this, it's that Charlie Sheen is fucking insane.

[–]torilikefood 29 points30 points ago

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No, he's just winning.

[–]LFAB 35 points36 points ago

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WINsane

[–][deleted] 231 points232 points ago

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He's not a hero. I guess Sheen just became a caricature. Still fucking rich and doing pornstars. Lohan ruined her life and is in a downward spiral. Sheen just flatlined.

[–]lambast 199 points200 points ago

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It was the novelty of Sheen as well, normally we see stars go through the same tired, predictable agent-approved routine where they apologise, go to rehab, then the "comeback". Charlie Sheen brags about smoking 7 grams of crack on a morning breakfast show. Fucking winning.

[–]pixbyeli 45 points46 points ago

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dont you mean bi-winning?

[–]wakatopatopa 22 points23 points ago

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I don't know about flatlining. Considering he's already shot a woman, I think he's been spiralling for a while. I think the difference in the effect on their careers has everything to do with the way the media has handled their stories.

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[–]cheddy 14 points15 points ago

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Thank you for this.

[–]ElMangosto 2 points3 points ago

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Where's the guy that draws posts? Someone find him!

[–]michaelochurch 77 points78 points ago*

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It's not about gender. It's about short memory.

Charlie Sheen may be a pretty awful human being based on his past behavior, but people don't remember that shit. No one's thinking about the domestic abuse charges. What's in front of everyone is a guy who bucked authority (drug use that didn't seem to affect his work, nasty comments about his boss) and, when asked to apologize, essentially held two middle fingers up in the air like Eminem (another talented but vicious person whose contempt for authority and convention have given him "folk hero" status.)

Besides, look at it this way: the guy does all kinds of depraved shit and remains the highest-paid TV actor. Nothing happens to him in spite of his awful behavior. He's an asshole, but he's consistently been an asshole for years. Then, he makes a jab at his boss (a sneeze compared to, for example, physically attacking a woman) and ends up in professional hot water. Of course this turn of events is going to make him a hero, even if he doesn't deserve it.

(Note: I didn't take his comment to be anti-Semitic; he wanted to argue that Lorre's real name was radically different from his Hollywood name, thus attempting to establish him as a fake, because in 2011 no one is going to think less of someone for having a Jewish name. It wasn't "hey look, this guy is a Jew" but "hey look, this guy is hiding his own name". Silly and petty, not to mention hypocritical, on Sheen's part, but not anti-Semitic.)

People focus on the last behavior, the one that led to the current situation, and ignore the others. Since the action that got his show canceled was telling authority to suck a bag of dicks-- a behavior that the world, objectively, needs a lot more of-- Sheen is being lionized even though the reality is that he isn't some righteous crusader against the smug arrogance of authority, but just a childish asshole.

The problem is that both heroes and assholes hate authority-- for different reasons but with equal passion-- and assholes who end up in epic struggles against it are often perceived as heroes.

[–]missfarthing 23 points24 points ago

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The name thing makes me laugh. Sheen's own name is a fake. His real last name is Estevez.

[–]MalenfantX 14 points15 points ago

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and Kudos to Emilio for using his real name.

[–]Madak 5 points6 points ago

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TIL that Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez are brothers.

[–]frequently_serious 7 points8 points ago

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Yeah. He beats women, threatened his wife at knife-point, accidentally shot a fiancee, had another girlfriend locked in a closet while he raged a hotel room to pieces, verbally (and publicly) abused his daughter over her cell phone...

Cool hero, bro.

[–]sirket 180 points181 points ago

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Because-

Not a single fuck has been given by Sheen.

Reddit loves that :)

[–]krymson 63 points64 points ago

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Most normal, well adjusted people love that.

The whole point is that no fucks should be given and he's calling the fuck-givers out on it.

[–]GKworldtour 7 points8 points ago

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I love his - Don't like that I'm banging hookers, snorting mountains of coke while still managing not to give a fuck.... well then you just need to not watch my awesome ass and concentrate on things you do care about.

[–]phoniel 104 points105 points ago

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When I see Sheen nowadays, I think back to Chapelle talking about what Hollywood does to people - how it breaks even the strongest. You can high five the guy all you want, but he's clearly very fucked up at a very deep level.

Same with Lohan. I have love for neither, hate for neither, and sympathy for both. They seem like good people.

[–]onlyAA 14 points15 points ago

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My husband made the remark that Sheen sounded like someone desperately trying to convince himself (or someone who had succeeded in convincing himself, and trying hard to hold onto it) that he deserved everything he had in his life. And my husband had never even heard any of his quotes about "not trying" in Platoon or anything. I think there might be something to that.

[–]brianbrianbrian 23 points24 points ago

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Plus I fapped it so many times to Parent Trap. Mmmmm British Lohan.

[–]Jamish 38 points39 points ago

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Uh.. twelve year old Lohan...

[–]Oakskin 33 points34 points ago

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...go on

[–]realfakejphelps 7 points8 points ago

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Why don't you have a seat over there?

[–]sandozguineapig 898 points899 points ago

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Lindsay Lohan is the plain old boring trainwreck we're accustomed to seeing. Charlie Sheen is a train full of fireworks that derails and plows into a petting zoo full of special needs children on a class trip, and somehow, nobody really gets hurt (except for that lady he threatened with a knife), and the train ollies on the curb all the way to a rehab next door to a toy store, and everybody is happy.

[–]Made_You_Look 219 points220 points ago

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More or less. If Lindsey had an hour long rant about having tiger's blood and fists of fire and declared herself to be a bitchin' rock star from mars, we'd be paying more attention to her than boring old charley who just goes to jail all the time.

[–]Pizzaboxpackaging 85 points86 points ago

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You know what's funny, when listening to the first 10 minutes of Charlies rant (was all I listened to) I actually found myself agreeing with a lot of what he was saying and thinking "yes, that makes sense"

I think a people ran away with some of the symbolism and metaphors he was using and make it sound like he was a whole lot more crazy then (I think) he actually was during the interview.

That said, in the 50 minutes I didn't listen he could have gone downhill fast. But what I heard wasn't all that bad :/

[–]supersauce 82 points83 points ago

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I've had plenty of rants like that, but I'm not famous so the Blackjack dealer or cab driver I was ranting to just nodded and smiled to pacify my coke-addled ass.

[–]jawston 45 points46 points ago

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I actually came out liking the guy more, for owning up and basically saying "fuck you guys I fuck porn stars and do cocaine and I don't give a shit" and yeah he does make a lot of great points. Also this whole thing about him being some kind of role model setting a bad example is bullshit, if your kid is looking up to charlie sheen or all people and not you as a role model you got a bigger problems on your hand.

Also I've had crazier rants on crystal meth.

[–]llamatron2k 13 points14 points ago

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NOT EVEN ONCE

[–]TheJeffa 2 points3 points ago

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What about Sheens kids?

[–]sonicmerlin 12 points13 points ago

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I haven't paid a single bit of attention to the whole Sheen thing but... he did this? That is so freaking awesome. That's Mike Tyson "I'm gonna eat your babies!" awesome. I need to watch that.

[–][deleted] 504 points505 points ago*

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and somehow, nobody really gets hurt (except for that lady he threatened with a knife)

Actually, Charlie Sheen has been dogged by allegations of domestic abuse for years. He pled guilty to one count of assault, pled no contest to a charge of battery (against a different woman), and "accidentally" shot (yet another) girlfriend in the arm, among other incidents.

ETA this NYT article, which discusses his long history of abusive behavior in greater detail.

[–]sandozguineapig 316 points317 points ago

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I meant famous people.

[–]PriestmanX 213 points214 points ago

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Yeah, important people.

[–]the_ouskull 11 points12 points ago

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So no real people? Just cops?

[–]cdigioia 90 points91 points ago

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Nice recovery.

[–]_ali_ 17 points18 points ago

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But Lindsay Lohan has breasts

[–]SKRAMACE 33 points34 points ago

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Depends on the day.

[–]way2funni 10 points11 points ago

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anyone up to speed on the Chloe Jones allegations? She ended up dead after 'dating ' Charlie.

[–]rickyimmy 8 points9 points ago

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William Burroughs did something similiar. He got away with it too.

[–]one_little_bird 34 points35 points ago

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Thanks for saying something. I was about to get hella pissed

[–]727Super27 19 points20 points ago

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Hella Norcal.

[–]contextISeverything 6 points7 points ago

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[–]FURYOFCAPSLOCK 35 points36 points ago

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What about the woman he shot?

[–]Mr_Bubbles 39 points40 points ago

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She married John Travolta

[–]danielmartin25 63 points64 points ago

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Ouch. I would've just stuck with the whole 'shot' idea.

[–]F0REM4N 25 points26 points ago

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Winning

[–]xebo 2 points3 points ago

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thought you said HE married John Travolta.

WHAT WILL SHEEN DO NEXT!?

[–]nitrousconsumed 26 points27 points ago

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Dude shot his ex.

[–]dominicaldaze 65 points66 points ago

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Lindsey Lohan apologizes for her behavior, while Charlie Sheen glories in his.

[–]Browncoat23 127 points128 points ago

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Lindsay Lohan apologizes blames everyone but herself for her behavior, while Charlie Sheen glories in his.

FTFY

[–]Bixby66 45 points46 points ago

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That and she's a woman.

[–]sar5636 266 points267 points ago

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I think they're both vapid skanks.

[–]Shadefox 86 points87 points ago

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This was my reply. Who the hell things Sheen is a 'folk hero?'

[–]xianr 11 points12 points ago

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You want to put your thing in Sheen's "folk hero"?

[–]ponyboy_coitus 44 points45 points ago

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Tiger Blood, obviously.

[–]Captain_Coolaid 6 points7 points ago

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That seems to be the consensus.

[–]rob_w2 40 points41 points ago

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My personal theory is that people support Charlie Sheen because they think of him as his TV character--a fun loving drunk, not his real character--a drug addict who beats up women.

[–]Antikristus 6 points7 points ago

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I always thought that he played himself.

[–]m4tthew 13 points14 points ago

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I don't know what you mean personally, I think Charlie Sheen is way more of a vapid skank than Lohan is.

[–]billyfazz 149 points150 points ago

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LiLo was winning, got caught, went to jail, didn't plan better, went back, stopped winning.

Charlie was winning, got sick, got back up, planned better, and kept winning.

[–]skunk44 138 points139 points ago

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I can't believe you dropped "LiLo."

[–]Blacksh33p 47 points48 points ago

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Why not? Grub is clearly the superior bootloader.

[–]myrridin 3 points4 points ago

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Sadly, even being reddit, I think this joke will be under-appreciated.

Not by me, Blacksh33p, not by me.

[–]jeremybub[!] 2 points3 points ago

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You have made this thread complete.

[–]89vision 2 points3 points ago

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winner

[–]los_angeles 31 points32 points ago*

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and kept winning

I think you mean bi-winning

[–]bonestamp 10 points11 points ago

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winning here and winning there

[–]stanthebat 38 points39 points ago

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I was unaware that Sheen was a 'folk hero'. I was under the impression he was a drug addict who was making an ass of himself.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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yes, some people have trouble distinguishing between when we're laughing with somebody and when we're laughing at them.

[–]spriggig 46 points47 points ago

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[–]ohnoesmilk 24 points25 points ago

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That's from a fake account: https://twitter.com/charIiesheen/status/43333500241317888

I instead of the L in charlie

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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I love that Twitter thought it was a good idea to use a font in which I and l are indistinguishable.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points ago

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Best url ever.

[–]UnknownArchive 10 points11 points ago

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Gender.

[–]Tristan79 106 points107 points ago

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Sheen doesn't pass out in his car looking like shit. He's also more well spoken and funny, when did Lindsay say anything quotable? Sheen is remarkably candid about his drug use and honest about his point of view, presenting himself with seemingly unshakable confidence. He owns his mistakes, and you can't even imagine him crying in court. When he's messed up and get's confronted about it his response is, " you're right, that's on me". Sheen is also simply older and wiser, having been involved in this shit well longer than lindsay, so he knows how to play the game better.

[–]SpookyBlues 86 points87 points ago

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Except for the massive amount of domestic abuse with every woman he's been involved with.

[–]37th-Chamber 21 points22 points ago

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This is the comment I came here looking for.

I'd also like to add to it, that it has to do with how he kills it at work. At least for me anyway. He's one of the highest paid actors on TV and it's because he can walk into the studio and shoot all his scenes in one take in one day.

No matter what field a person is in they get a lot of leeway by being the absolutely best at what they do.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points ago

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Yes, he's the best in the world at being the lead actor for the worst show on television.

[–]wordybird 14 points15 points ago

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They're both tools IMO.

[–]fattdweeb 14 points15 points ago

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Because most people hate women. The end.

[–]Nice_Marmot 153 points154 points ago*

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For the same reason in real life why that one girl you know who slept with 142 guys is a slut, but your buddy who's on 145 is a stud.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points ago

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I've had lesbian sex with more than 150 women. Does that make me a slut or a stud?

[–]m1sta 91 points92 points ago

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I'll have to think about that one... a lot.

[–]NlNTENDO 25 points26 points ago

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...I'll be in my bunk.

[–]lemonstar 31 points32 points ago

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A slud. Also, are you looking for a girlfriend?

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points ago

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If you're cool with polyamory, sure!

[–]lemonstar 6 points7 points ago

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Why, yes I am. East coast US, you?

[–]toejam119 13 points14 points ago

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Easy there, she might judge you as a 5/10 since she's a stuck up bitch, see here. Looking her comments she says "Hi, I'm a 9.5/10 woman." and "I've never been unattractive."

on the plus side she will give a random guy a blowjob if he buys her a meal and is "nice and sweet". wait, scratch that. apparently she also lets guys pay her dinner and then just skips if she doesn't "like" the guy (find him 10/10), see here.

If you consider yourself a (near) perfect ten, then I guess you can approach her.

[–]lemonstar 8 points9 points ago

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Yikes, good looking out.

[–]natalee_t 13 points14 points ago

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Tired maybe?

[–]chromarush 3 points4 points ago

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Yes. Congrats!

[–]WiseGuy1020 224 points225 points ago*

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It is easy to be a slut, it's hard to be a stud.

To be a slut, all you got to do is be there.

Know any fat or ugly sluts? Sure. Know any fat or ugly studs? Nope.

--paraphrased from Jim Jeffries

[–]j-mar 18 points19 points ago

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And here it is in video form:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jaiMzLhliA

[–]jimmyjango42 9 points10 points ago

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Called the porn stars.

Fame and/or money are exceptions to the rule. Porn stars get ass because they're paid to do it, I wouldn't say that it really counts.

Making porn isn't close to real sex.

[–]samsquampsh 62 points63 points ago

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Ron Jeremy

[–]gevalt 13 points14 points ago

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Oh, sure. Ron Jeremy sure gives hope to all those regular-lookin' guys. How DOES he do it?

[–]rabble-rouser 11 points12 points ago

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HUGE PENIS!!

[–]AllisonsBrains 53 points54 points ago

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I don't think Ron Jeremy is what most would call a stud. "Stud" brings up imagery of handsomeness, suave, etc.. Ron Jeremy gets paid to sleep with a lot of women. How many women are actually attracted to him, other than the ones that want to get paid to have sex with him? And even then really... He seems more like a novelty act than a stud.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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I thought this was common opinion, but you're being downvoted and upvoted about evenly. Weird. How exactly do pornstars count as studs?

That's kind of like saying a prostitute is a slut... when she's just a whore (or companion).

No?

[–]Nessie 3 points4 points ago

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A male hired for sex. How is that not a stud?

[–]whatsamatteryou 4 points5 points ago

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You are technically correct (which as most redditors know, is the best kind of correct).

[–]zaferk 2 points3 points ago

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Still need a big dick to be a male porn star.

Still need to be hot be a (successful) prostitute.

[–]NitsujTPU 2 points3 points ago

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I don't want to sound sexist, but there is actually some truth to this.

The Cads and Dads hypothesis would indicate that the man slept with 145 women because he had the option to. He didn't want to settle down, and he thought that he would still be able to have sex if he didn't settle down with one woman. That is to say, he knew that another would avail herself shortly.

According to the same hypothesis, the woman slept with 145 guys because she couldn't get one to settle down with her.

So, whereas the male is the desirable alpha, the woman has never succeeded in holding on to a man.

Now, I'm not going to say that that hypothesis is necessarily accurate, but I will say that the fact is that women (in general, not necessary for all women, if you are a woman, then..) are attracted to men who have slept with a lot of other women. Men are not attracted to women who have slept with a lot of men. I don't think that this is a cultural thing, but that it's just a biological truth.

[–]butrosbutrosfunky 15 points16 points ago

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Silvio Berlusconi

[–]SilvioBerlusconi 22 points23 points ago

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Watch your mouth, kid.

[–]test_alpha 27 points28 points ago

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Doesn't count when you pay for it. I could root a hundred prostitutes, doesn't make me a stud.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I bet I could root 100 prostitutes.

[–]sciurus 56 points57 points ago

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I know this stereotype of men who sleep around being studs and totally awesome, but each of the people I've met who hold this thought and especially those who try and practice it tend to be pretty scummy people anyways. Perhaps you should stop idolizing people who's sole aim in life is to go around and whore themselves out to as many people as possible.

[–]ZaneRockfist 190 points191 points ago

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Much easier for a girl to get laid than a guy.

[–]efapathy 12 points13 points ago

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You know I've been looking for someone to explain this to me. Unless the girl is a lesbian, isn't she sleeping with a guy? So unless there is a serious deviation, meaning guys who are cheating or single guys averaging thousands of girls to account for the difference, wouldn't it make sense it's about even?

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points ago*

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There was a recent CDC sex report on trends in the US and it found that women on average report fewer opposite sex partners than men, but more men report having a very high number of partners. There are other reasons to argue against the following, but this sort of validates the whole evo psych alpha male business. I think most of that is bullshit, but it is interesting to see sexuality and societal trends... that or this is just another case of poor methodology and response bias, but a man can dream of their finally being a sex study with good methodology...

Below are the relevant sections (imo) and a link to the paper...

"These tables show, as have other surveys in the United States and other countries, that men report more opposite-sex partners than women (15–19). For example, males 30–44 years of age reported an average (median) of 6–8 female sexual partners in their lifetimes. Females 30–44 reported an average (median) of about 4 male sexual partners in their lifetimes, as shown in figure 6. Some researchers have suggested that some of this difference is due to a small percentage of men who report very large numbers of partners (43). Laumann et al. (16, p. 185) offered several possible explanations to consider: the ages of men and women at marriage, at cohabitation, or in sexual relationships are often similar, but not identical—some women, for example, may be having sex with men outside the age range covered here (particularlyover age 44); some men who are not in the household population of the United States and therefore not covered in the NSFG sample (for example, in the military or in prison) may be having sex with women who are in the household population; or there may be a few women with very large numbers of male partners who do not respond to surveys. In addition, Laumann et al. speculate that ‘‘men and women may differ in what they consider a sex partner’’—that is, some men may include a brief sexual encounter when they report the number of partners they have had, while some women may not count a similar event (16, p. 185)"

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf

Also, slightly more men report having no partners. It is only a 1% difference, but from my understanding of sexuality in the US, men on average have younger partners (I think the average marriage difference is three years), so one could argue that in a survey of 15-44 year olds, men have three more years to have sex than women during that span, so that 1% difference could be higher if you control for partner age. This is just a random opinion in my head that I cannot cite or backup, its a cool read nonetheless.

[–]d07c0m 4 points5 points ago

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Cited sources. Now that is winning.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago*

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As Chris Rock said, "10% of guys do 90% of the fucking." Women can pick and choose who they sleep with, and they sleep with the most attractive men. Men outside of this group take whatever they can get.

If a guy sleeps with a lot of women it means he is generally more attractive (personality, money, looks, status, power). If a woman sleeps with a lot of men it is simply because she chose to. If you are a woman I'd bet you that on any given night I could get you laid by a "decent" looking guy 100% of the time with virtually no practice - if you were actually wanting to get laid. There is simply no way I'd take this same bet if it were some random guy on Reddit.

Now I am not saying that this is a bad thing - I am totally fine with women who sleep around a lot and think they are awesome. However, just from what I've seen, a ton of people, both men and maybe even especially women, seem to really hate on promiscuous ladies.

[–]x2501x 10 points11 points ago

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"easier" in the sense that if a girl is simply trying -to have sex with anyone who will have her-, that there will almost always be a guy willing to oblige. Not "an attractive guy", necessarily, but -some guy- almost definitely. OTOH if a guy is walking around broadcasting the fact that he will have sex with any girl who is willing, that often will put off even the girl who was otherwise desperate.

Now you could argue whether that's natural biology or if it's just societal programming of men to see a "desparate" woman as being more attractive while women see a desperate man as just sad, but in general, it's true. Maybe it has to do with the assumed roles in sex--a woman in essence is saying, "I am willing to let you have me," (physically) while the man is asking, "I am begging you to let me have you." One seems more friendly while the other seems more threatening. Of course, again, there are plenty of circumstances where these roles are not followed, but the common "normal" roles would point to that thinking.

[–]gprime 26 points27 points ago

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See, I'd frame it different. The guy who's fucked 145 women I envy, and the girl who's fucked 142 should come over to my house later tonight.

[–]mcrbids 13 points14 points ago

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"I question the judgement of any woman who would sleep with me".

I wish I remember who said that...

[–]gprime 12 points13 points ago

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Just a variant of the classic Groucho Marx quote "I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member."

[–]spei180 19 points20 points ago

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I thought that only Charlie Sheen thinks he is a hero, and everyone else thinks he's a selfish-narcissistic-misogynistic-addict.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Charlie sheen was in ferris buellers day off

[–]BlasphemousOne 4 points5 points ago

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Ummm.... Charlie Sheen is WINNING! Lindsay is a loser. Duh!

[–]racter_redactor 3 points4 points ago

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Because the people who view them this way are men who would like to live like Charlie Sheen but do not want to end up with a woman like Lindsay Lohan.

[–]travboy21 3 points4 points ago

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He's not, he's a sideshow attraction. An addict, even worse is that he is in complete denial.

[–]wompzilla 3 points4 points ago

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I think sheen is a vapid skank

[–]Ikarus3426 3 points4 points ago

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Wtf. People are saying Charlie Sheen is a hero? News to me...

[–]finallymadeanaccount 12 points13 points ago

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Because Lindsay won't fuck us, but put a blonde wig on us and Charlie'll knock boots with us whenever he can!

[–]shawric 24 points25 points ago

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Sheen doesn't deny what he is. He fully accepts what he does and doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't cry about it, beg for forgiveness, demand that you give him a second chance etc. He knows full well what he has done and says "I did it because I wanted to-no excuses".

[–]bandacoo 20 points21 points ago

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They are both trash and I don't understand why people care about either one of them.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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folk hero? he's a fucking joke.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago

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Wow... TIL there are idiots who consider Charlie Sheen a folk hero.

[–]TreyDunn 2 points3 points ago

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Charlie Sheen has banged way more chicks than Lindsey Lohan. Everybody knows that. Charlie Sheen has so much pussy xp it would blow your god damn mind bro.

[–]bruce_notice 2 points3 points ago

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I think they're both shit heads but lilo doesn't have any good quotes

[–]rrbbuckeye 2 points3 points ago

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Tiger blood?

[–]jesushlincoln 2 points3 points ago

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When Charlie Sheen does drugs and fucks copiously, he’s like a combination between Scarface, Sherlock Holmes, and Keith Richards--a veritable cocaine tank, if you will. When Lindsay Lohan sluts around and does the same drugs, she comes across as a dumbass with the mind of a 16-year-old girl who has no self-control. Sheen also has no self-control, but he appears to. He comes across as knowing what the fuck he’s doing even when he’s so high as fuck he has no clue where he is, whereas Lindsay Lohan (and, to prove it’s not just the female stereotype at work here, Mel Gibson works too for this example) just comes across as completely confused and out of control.

Bascially, her true motives are blatantly obvious and clear, and we only ever liked her for her looks anyway, so we hate her, whereas Charlie Sheen has enough charisma in general to still make people like him, although some of his public fuck-ups lately may soon turn that around.

[–]chandler760 2 points3 points ago

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Cause Lindsay isn't WINNING!

[–]caseyphillips 2 points3 points ago

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Because Sheen actually buys his mistakes, unlike Lohan.

[–]Hamstadam 2 points3 points ago

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She ain't bangin' 7 gram rocks.

[–]jujubeanella 2 points3 points ago

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folk heroes don't threaten defenseless women. i don't like lohan much, but she's never held a knife to anyone. yes, she car-jacked someone (lol) but she didn't get abusive or threatening.

charlie sheen should just die in a fire. i'm so sick of him.

[–]casualfactors 2 points3 points ago

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Charlie Sheen made "Platoon" and "Hot Shots." Lindsay Lohan made "I Know Who Killed Me." That's why its okay.

[–]Porkfish 2 points3 points ago

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Actually, I think "vapid skank" effectively describes either of them.

[–]mjframsay 2 points3 points ago

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biggest difference: tigerblood

[–]nbart1016 2 points3 points ago

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Our culture doesn't glorify sexual promiscuity for women.

[–]forzato 17 points18 points ago

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Who thinks Charlie Sheen is a hero?? Poimt this person or people out so I can slap them.

[–]HacksawJimDGN 48 points49 points ago

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It was you. You said it.

[–]JarvisCocker 52 points53 points ago

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Directed by M Night Shaymlan

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points ago

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Because sexism.

[–]23235 12 points13 points ago

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When so many people work so hard on a thread like this to work up theories that either deny or ignore it, yes indeed.

Certainly, some of the alternate theories (personal flair, knowing how to work the press, refusal to apologize, a more impressive career, age, madcap quotes, etc, etc, etc) may have merit, but ignore or deny the obvious.

Vick got harsher public treatment for violence against dogs than Sheen has had for violence against women.

[–]overduebook 11 points12 points ago

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"THERE'S NO MISOGYNY ON REDDIT SHOW ME ONE EXAMPLE OF MISOGYNY ALL THOSE COMMENTS ARE MADE BY TROLLS AND GET DOWNVOTED TO OBLIVION"

Exhibit no. 89234: this entire comment thread.

[–]Denny_Craine 11 points12 points ago

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Because Lindsay Lohan doesn't say shit like

Resentments are the rocket fuel that lives in the tip of my sabre.

/thread

[–]anhero23 4 points5 points ago

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Since when is Butt munch Charlie Sheen a folk hero?

[–]ninjarobotking 7 points8 points ago

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anyone who thinks charlie sheen is a hero of any sort is also a vapid skank